[WyldKard]

Okay, a few things come to mind:

Were there any kids at any of these workshops? If not, then I really don't have any problem with what consenting adults want to do with each other, no matter how icky I may personally find a lot of it. (Fisting? Ick!!).

I don't think a church is a terribly proper place for this sort of thing, but if the membership of this church doesn't mind, then so be it. Those that don't like it should *certainly* go elsewhere. It didn't seem to me like the Church itself was sponsering this stuff, just allowing their space to be used.

I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing. It sounds more like his problem is with anything that isn't missionary style sex. Like I said, if there were kids that were being made to go to these things, or if they were doing this stuff WAY OUT i the public, I could totally understand and support the outrage.

Otherwise, to me, this guy comes off as a Socialist Theocrat that wants to pass more laws telling us what we can and can not do in the privacy of our own bedrooms. What's next, a branch of the Ministry of Peace...er...Homeland Security, that busts down doors if you're reported giving the missus a little spanking, or getting a little head?

[F16Fighter]

Congratulations. Yours is one of the most idiotic posts I have ever seen at FR.

You may want to check in with the duty nurse soon for your medication.

[mhking]

I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing.

I suppose the section on Sodom and Gomorrah was torn out of your Bible, yes?

While these "consenting adults" certainly have the right to engage in whatever debauchery they want to (as long as they aren't doing in anyone else while they do it -- ewwww!), to do it in any sort of "church" really does not sit right with me.

WyldKard, how would you feel if goats were being sacrificed for some bizarre "ritual sacrifice" of pre-teen virgins tied to some form of Satanic worship in the rectory of your friendly, neighborhood Catholic church? Unless you have the emotional output of a rock, it probably wouldn't sit right with you. This is nothing different.

This sounds like a group of folks who are using the term "church" in order to qualify for tax exempt status for their form of filth. It's a defilement of what most hold sacred, and should be stopped.

[Jorge]

I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing.

Jesus made a whip and drove the money changers out of the Temple in anger, you really think He'd be OK with the sort of sick sexual workshops we see above, in the church?

[peteram]

I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing.

While this may not be specifically addressed in the Bible, what the Christian church promotes is a respect for human life and its dignity. Many Christians believe that this type of conduct serves to debase and humiliate the human spirit.

Taking it another step, there is nothing more that satan would love than to debase and diminish the human spirit, through whatever means (homosexuality or others). For a person to allow themselves to experience this type of lifestyle would result in them being in bondage (both spriritually and literally) to this and to the people that promote it.

I believe this is what the author was trying to point out. As Christians, we are in a spiritual war with the percieved evils that promote this type of conduct. Of course, the bottom line is that God gives all of us free will to choose the life we lead. If that's your thing, then go ahead and do it. But as Christians, it's incumbent upon us to do what we can to discourage it and show these folks a better way.

[peteram]

Otherwise, to me, this guy comes off as a Socialist Theocrat that wants to pass more laws telling us what we can and can not

I think the main thing that the author was really upset about was the fact that this "church" was operating under the name of the Lord Jesus, and that this is major blasphemy.

Like you, I agree that if these people want to exert their free will and live like this, fine. But I draw the line at using the Lord's name to promote it.

[gunnedah]

You certainly are entitled to your opinion.But this is the very reason the homosexual movement is taking over this country.When AIDs wrecks havoc on America the way it does Africa maybe you will change your tune.America has turned a corner from which she will never recover I am affraid.We are a sick nation and no longer have a conscience or moral values.

[AppyPappy]

You are missing the point. I don't recall mainstream churches having this kind of activity. Beating people, even with their permission, is not a Christian activity. This is clearly a front, not a church.

[freebilly]

I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing. It sounds more like his problem is with anything that isn't missionary style sex.

The Bible does tell us as Christians that we are not to associate with those who engage in "unnatural lusts."

[MortMan]

In one sense, we agree. What the debauched do amongst themselves is not at issue. What is at issue, however, is the deviants' coopting the name of religion by soiling a church with their activities.

It's another case of pushing the homosexual agenda. They may have a right to do what they do, but I also have a right to object. Trying to deceive by raising their banners under color of religion is especially gruesome, to me.

[Lazamataz]

I disagree in the strongest possible terms with your thesis. There is no room for sexual intercourse in any church, temple, or other place of worship -- unless you are a Satanist.

The body is of this world. The spirit is of the next world.

Enjoy your body and that of your commited life partner, but not in a place of worship, please.

[WOSG]

"Otherwise, to me, this guy comes off as a Socialist Theocrat that wants to pass more laws telling us what we can and can not do in the privacy of our own bedrooms."

Er, you mean the 'privacy of their own public houses of Worship.' None of these 'get togethers' were in a bedroom, they were in a 'church'.

I think the main problem is zoning ... is this area zoned to allow bordellos, meat markets, and nudist colonies?

[BeerSwillr]

~Zot~

[restornu]

I am so glad this whatever is no longer amomg us!