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Hatfill Gives Press Conference
Fox news | 08-25-02 | Steve Hatfill

Posted on 08/25/2002 11:33:25 AM PDT by at bay

Just watched the Hatfill press conference. FBI continuing on its theory that this was something that originated from the US and that Atta must have had athlete's foot or something. Hatfill, if innocent, is rightly indignant at his treatment.


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthraxscarelist; fbi; hatfill; witchhunt
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To: OldFriend
I can't believe the IGNORANCE of half you people on FR ! Hatfill is another Timothy McVeigh. hang all the crimes on WHITE MALES who are NOT WHINING LIBERALS. If you believe the FBI is anything but a supposed law enforcement agency that morphed fifty years ago into NKVD type secret police than you are asleep as well as stupid.

I swear, I would hate to have a conservative and intelligent philosophy penned by the ignorant old farts who are on FR. Since guilt is by association, I hate to post here.
61 posted on 08/25/2002 3:08:58 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: at bay
We don't know what evidence the FBI has, so any talk of whether Hatfield is guilty or not or speculation.

But if I had to speculate, based on his performance at the press conference, my speculation is that he's guilty. I don't think he was credible.

But it's all speculation. I for one am content to wait to see what evidence the FBI has. I think conspiracy talk in this thread is silly. The FBI's not going to screw up an investigation this big. I figure they've got to know something we don't. (Which means, in particular, that they haven't been leaking their best stuff.)
62 posted on 08/25/2002 3:11:40 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: honway
Honway, not directed at you but don't any of the ignoramuses haunting FR remember the Red Cross Building in Afghanistan that was deliberately and accurately bombed three times because the Red Cross socialist spawns had an "anthrax research laboratory" set up there for the taliban and Al Quaeda to experiment with ? I think the members here all need dopamine.
63 posted on 08/25/2002 3:12:14 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: Cachelot
"Who were the other three?"

Names escape. But the first one was a guy who, at one time, had worked for Battelle Institute (a known CIA contractor)...another was a retired Army officer who was supposed to be trying to frame an Egyptian colleague at AMRIID...another was a guy with a drinking problem, who they eventually ran down in Milwaukee.

Rosenberg's description of the "suspect" changes with each dismissal of the preceding "suspect". At some point, she claimed she had an inside source (whether DOD, CIA or DOJ was unclear).

The media, of course, loves her -- because she tells them what they want to hear: "The anthrax attack unequivocally came from somebody in the military/intelligence community. Trust me."

Media reports invariably describe BHR as a "microbiologist".

She's not.

She is a professor of environmental sciences at the Performing Arts branch of SUNY. She has never done research and she actually no longer teaches.

Instead, Rosenberg is a full-time activist for the UN treaty on biological weapons.

And, for reasons of her own, she has helped aim the media crosshairs at Hatfill...

64 posted on 08/25/2002 3:13:11 PM PDT by okie01
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To: snopercod
Israeli missile test too close for U.S. Navy cruiser's comfort, Ha'aertz, May 3, 2000, by Amon Barzilai (article posted at www.fas.org **):
An Israeli "Jericho" surface-to-surface ballistic missile landed near a U.S. Navy Aegis cruiser in the eastern Mediterranean last month, according to a Washington Post report. During most of its flight, the missile appeared on the cruiser's air-warning sensors as aiming for the U.S. ship. However, the missile landed some 65 kilometers away from the USS Anzio, which was cruising 350 kilometers west of the Israeli coast.

According to the U.S. Department of Defense, the incident occured when Israel carried out a test launch of a Jericho-1 medium-range missile on April 6. The USN Aegis cruiser, a dedicated air-defense ship, was at the time accompanying the aircraft carrier USS Eisenhower and another cruiser on their way to conducting joint exercises with Israeli forces. One Defense Department official said that the customary "Notice to Aviators and Mariners" was not given prior to the test. According to the Americans, this marked the third time that no such warning was given to a U.S. warship during the last two years.

While the matter is being handled through diplomatic channels, relations between Israel and the U.S. Navy have not been good since the sinking of the USS Liberty during the Six-Day War by Israeli aircraft and gunboats. Israel paid compensation to the families of the 205 casualties.

Israel has never made available any information on the development and production of the Jericho missile. According to foreign publications, the Jericho comes in two basic forms: Jericho-1, like the one test fired in April, carries conventional and nonconventional warheads over distances as long as 750 kilometers; and its big brother, Jericho-2B, has a much longer range and higher accuracy.

The missiles were developed with French help during the 1960s at the peak of close ties between Israel and France. The firing of an Egyptian-made surface-to-surface missile in 1962 is estimated to have been the catalyst for the decision to develop the weapons.

The new version of the Jericho-2 missile reportedly includes most neighboring countries in its range, and its accuracy is considered to be very good. The U.S. National Security Agency has monitored the test program of the Jericho-2 and has recorded several test firings over the Mediterranean. According to the Federation of American Scientists **, test firings of the missile at ranges in excess of 1300 kilometers have been conducted in South Africa.

According to the organization, the capability of Israel's ballistic missiles has been estimated to be far greater. Based on calculations derived from the Shavit rockets carrying the Ofek satellites, Israel's ballistic missiles are capable of carrying a nuclear payload across ranges in excess of 5,300 kilometers. But experts at the Pentagon estimate that an Israeli missile with a 7,200-kilometer range is possible. Another estimate was given in July 1990 by University of Maryland physicist Steve Peter, who calculated that the Shavit rocket has a range of 4,000 kilometers with a maximum payload of 775 kilograms. All these assessments place the whole of the Middle East within the range of Israel's ballistic missiles.


65 posted on 08/25/2002 3:13:54 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: gdc61
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?... which strictly translates to "Who shall keep the keepers themselves?" and more loosely translates to "Who watches the watchers?" or "Who guards the guards?"

No one advocates anarchy on this website, but the history of the Fumbling Bumbling Investigators reveals a flawed and out of control organisation with little or no oversight.

66 posted on 08/25/2002 3:15:13 PM PDT by ijcr
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To: gdc61
Look, one of the main purposes of Free Republic is to go after the government when they're wrong or corrupt. I served 22 years active duty for my country and I love her, but this doesn't mean the people in government can't be wrong, idiots, political hacks, stupid, or demnostrate all manner of human foibles known. So my list is as follows:

1. Ruby Ridge, a grevious wrong. They went after this guy, a white supremacist, for a weapons violation. Not that I believe in white supremacy, it's kooky, but the FBI wound up shooting and killing his son and his wife. No one was punished, not even admonished.

2. Waco. This is too fat a target. The execution of the plan was a debacle. It has been proved that David Koresh could have been picked up outside his compound on numerous occasions before the siege. The bottom line, a lot of innocent folks died. In any case, the designers of the plan should have been fired for incompetence. No admonishments in this one, either.

3. Richard Jewel and the Olympic bombings. RJ saved lives. He was the initial discoverer of the bomb and got people away from it. Later he was pointed out as the bomber himself. This was not true. Now they say Eric Robert Rudolph did it. Where is Rudolph, anyway?

4. Oklahoma City. I do believe it was done by Timothy McViegh, but in the end the FBI "forgot" about two huge boxes of files they failed to give his defense attorney. This could have been used by McViegh to hold off his execution, perhaps forever. As far as I know, no admonishments for anyone involved at the FBI.

Throughout my military career, I have seen a number of low, middle, and high-ranking individuals sacked for incompetence and failure. The good of the country is at stake, and no one's career can and should come first. My impression of the FBI is that careers are job one, and crime prevention job two. The FBI needs to get its house in order.

We surely need an FBI, CIA, NSA, etc, etc. It's a tough world out there. But my fear is as long as incompetency is allowed or buried in these agency's then their missions are at risk of failure.

67 posted on 08/25/2002 3:15:15 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: at bay
Gosh, I must have missed when and where Hatfill was charged with a crime. He sure seems adamant he didn't do something he hasn't been accused of doing.
68 posted on 08/25/2002 3:16:33 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: FreeTheHostages
""""The FBI's not going to screw up an investigation this big. I figure they've got to know something we don't. (Which means, in particular, that they haven't been leaking their best stuff."""""........................ROTFLMFAO tears streaming down my face ....bursting with laughter...ever heard of Americans incinerated at Waco ? shot at Ruby Ridge? TWA 800 FBI BLATANT LIES ? the FIRST World Trade Center Bombing ( uhhhh we weren't warned rotflmao)? the FBI is a secret police good at enslaving AMERICANS and lying as all good secret police do. The FBI can find YOU but can't find a dingleberry on their own ass otherwise.
69 posted on 08/25/2002 3:17:11 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: muawiyah
"...then Barbara Hatch Rosenberg came out with her attack on various un-named disgrunteld white American federal government male employees. Then the FBI fell in line, and it's just been one piece of BS after another."

Recall that, rather early in this wild goose chase, Rosenberg claimed to have "a knowledgable source" inside the government.

She has not repeated this claim lately. But it gives me to wonder just who was leading who...

70 posted on 08/25/2002 3:17:21 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01
Am curious, is this Rosenberg related by marriage or otherwise to the infamous Julius and Ethel of late memory who delivered the secrets making the atom bomb to their comrades in Russia????
71 posted on 08/25/2002 3:18:18 PM PDT by brydic1
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To: Alas Babylon!
ALAS BABYLON !!!! AN INTELLIGENT PERSON ON FR .....ahhhhh now I can sleep at night ..... thank God! there is at least one... Bless you Babylon ...
72 posted on 08/25/2002 3:20:43 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: floriduh voter
It isn't hard to connect one of his main accusers to 'klintoon.'
73 posted on 08/25/2002 3:23:05 PM PDT by piasa
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To: ijcr
Ubersetzen Sie FBI .... secret police -

traditionally NOT interested in law enforcement or protecting the people but bolstering power enclaves of despots for their own aggrandizement...
74 posted on 08/25/2002 3:23:08 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: chemainus
Yeah, I kinda expected that response. That's not my view of the FBI. I think they do a pretty good job.
75 posted on 08/25/2002 3:23:29 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: floriduh voter
I'm living in Floriduh and get the opposite reaction. Maybe that's because I read more than the Floriduh papers, and so, get more news that what's up with Sami Al Arian.
76 posted on 08/25/2002 3:25:34 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Cachelot
Yes, well.. it has been violated. Not only this doubtful accusation which stops just short of being an actual accusation, but it's also a fact that for the last year anyone - anyone - identified as being a bio-weapons expert seem to be in mortal danger, seeing as they're bumped off with boring regularity. For Hatfill, remaining squarely in the center of the spotlight may at this point be what saves his life. Maybe the FBI had thought that by dropping his name out there, he would have been dead by now, and they could have closed the Anthrax case as "cleanly solved".

What I don't understand is Hatfill's need to have two full-length press conferences a week apart. I thought the whole thing was weird--his spokesmouth introducing in such a fashion that I expected Bob Barker to bound out onto the stage of "The Price is Right," Hatfill giving this long statement but wouldn't take questions, and his lawyer filling the air up with hot air blather.

Even his statement was weird. Why did I need to know that a friend of his lived in a "modern, three-bedroom" house or apartment? But heck, that's minor. If he's a "person of interest," why call the FBI incompetent, give the names of the FBI agents who he claims are harassing his girlfriend, PO Ashcroft, say the FBI has met his demands for giving him a blood test but also wants methodology released to the press BUT also holds up a book that questions the competentcy of the FBI labs? If that's the case, why bother with the blood test if he thinks the FBI will botch the test?

I mean if anyone wants the FBI to come down on him like a ton of bricks--even more than it has--give a press conference like he did. He's either excessively stupid or excessively arrogrant or both.

77 posted on 08/25/2002 3:29:19 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: brydic1
"...is this Rosenberg related by marriage or otherwise to the infamous Julius and Ethel...?"

Not to my knowledge. It's been in no news reports and, were she, it would have likely been deemed newsworthy.

Though, with today's "journalists", one might wonder...

78 posted on 08/25/2002 3:29:39 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Alas Babylon!
no one's career can and should come first.

No one's!
Ashcroft has not been impressive.
Why did the Bush administration go to the mat for him while letting Linda Chavez twist in the wind?

79 posted on 08/25/2002 3:33:53 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: not-alone
Actually, he has to bring up Ashcroft just to get into the news. That's the only way to get the attention of the media. Otherwise, he will be ignored. Nonetheless, the bulk of his comments were aimed at the accusers in the press.

His accusers, both in the New York Times and in the American Federation of Scientists, do seem to have a credibility problem.

The NY Times gets info for one reason, however: when someone wants to put out some information for FOREIGN consumption, they do so by leaking to the NY Times.

80 posted on 08/25/2002 3:34:15 PM PDT by piasa
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