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Are Dr. Judith Reisman's claims about homosexuals and pedophilia phony?
Springfield(MO) News-Leader ^ | 08/25/02 - 08/30/02 | Haven Howard - Lisa Tinker

Posted on 08/30/2002 3:58:34 AM PDT by JCG

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:30:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The recent decision of Big Brothers-Big Sisters of America making it mandatory for local chapters to accept homosexual volunteers makes no sense to any thinking adult or concerned parent. I am also very disturbed the Springfield News-Leader is endorsing this decision.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrothers; bigsisters; cameron; gays; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; pedophiles; reisman; sasu
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To: Bryan
Thanks, Bryan. I'll be watching.
161 posted on 09/02/2002 7:15:32 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Skooz
Yeah, I caught that, too. I assume it is her contention that more girls than boys have been molested by priests. Like to see her source, but of course we won't.

It always astounds me how the media, in it's perpertual state of idiocy and hatred of all things Christian, will never fail to infer that the problem was because the offender was a priest, and not because they were a homosexual pedophile disguised as a priest.

162 posted on 09/03/2002 3:10:52 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: lentulusgracchus
People who want homosexual scoutmasters are almost invariably NOT scout parents (85% of scout parents are opposed, and I'm sure the number has risen since the breakout of revelations about teenage boy molestations by homosexual priests in the Catholic Church). Scouts is a great organization, and it's greater as a result of taking a tough stand (and the resultant) flak on issues not deemed PC by the gaydocracy and the liberal mafia.
163 posted on 09/03/2002 3:55:54 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: madg; lentulusgracchus; Bryan
Finally, what makes you think that this man was gay?

Puhleeze, madg. Men who are sexually attracted to sexually mature males (as in Boy Scouts situations) are either homosexual or bisexual. In the Catholic Church, something like 1/3 of the priesthood is homosexual, and we have the very preditable epidemic of teenage boy molestation. Homosexual websites are full of pictures of 'the youngest available or legal' boys, homosexual magazines are full of advertisements for sex with teenage boys, New York City's teenage prostitution problem is 90% homosexual, the Catholic Church's molestation problem is 90% homosexual and 90% teenagers (boys). Who cares how a man identifies himself? When he goes after sexually mature males, he's got homosexual tendencies - and has absolutely NO place in the Boy Scouts.

164 posted on 09/03/2002 6:03:28 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: madg; Bryan
A symptom of a mental illness is not the same thing as a sexual orientation (homo-bi-hetero).

The vast majority of people understand that men who like to hump the rear ends of other men have a mental problem.

165 posted on 09/03/2002 6:05:29 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
It is worth noting that when the APA voted to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses and disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the vote of the rank-and-file membership of the APA was 54% to 46%. Thus it is a slender majority, and there is a substantial minority of psychiatrists who still believe, despite the deception and bullying by gay rights lobbyists and their friends on the APA board of directors, that homosexuality is a mental illness. (Bayer R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. New York: Basic Books, 1981.)
166 posted on 09/03/2002 6:24:41 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: madg
He has a name, and his name is Gary L. Morella.

And your point is? Gary has done much research and public Catholic activism against the homosexual agenda, and I have worked closely with him in fighting the homosexual agenda at PSU. His writings are factual and well researched. He is a research mathematician at a gov't research lab at PSU, and has his Masters degree in Theology. Merely naming his source, does not discredit Bryan's position.

167 posted on 09/03/2002 6:51:00 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: saradippity
Thanks for the ping -- without it, I would have missed an informative thread.
168 posted on 09/03/2002 9:00:22 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: JCG
Getting booted from the APA is certainly no pause for concern. I am now interested in reading Cameron's research for myself. It might actually be an endorsement. The APA is FULL of homosexuals forcing equally biased and fraudulent research regarding homosexuals down their memberships throats. The APA is an arm now, of the radical homosexual freaks.
169 posted on 09/03/2002 9:04:49 AM PDT by Republic
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To: madg
You know for a fact that I have never said anything that even VAGUELY resembles your empty allegation.

Then why do you keep standing on the caps key? You've been yelling at Bryan ever since you posted up.

Do whatever you like, Bryan. Like I said, I cannot take you seriously any longer.

That's called an expression of contempt and is argument ad hominem, directed to other persons on the thread. I don't think you had any other conclusion to your discussion in view, and IMHO it's your way of trying to find the exit after you've shot your bolt and worked someone over with a six-inch social razor. I refer more to your posting manner than to your substance: we still have to examine Poppy Dixon's cites and quotes.

I also recall vividly that the exact same technique you're using was used by StopDrLaura.com, of finding a critical, Laura-bashing article by a liberal activist (I didn't say gay, but in Poppy Dixon's case I'll bet $50 on it, just to be sporting), and then quoting them as "authoritative".

In the case of Laura Schlessinger, the principal source of dirt for polemical attacks on her character was her ex-boyfriend, who provided the hatchet writer salacious details of her liaison with him (I think that's called third-degree "kiss and tell" and is a castrating offense among gender-fems, when the tell-ee isn't named Laura Schlessinger). This slugbait ex-boyfriend then went on to post nude pictures he had taken of Schlessinger on Bartcop. I guess any level of personal betrayal can be choked down and used without scruple, if the Cause is being served.

Michael Signorile's gloat in his Advocate article "Takin' It to the Streets", is an appropriate benchmark for what we're really dealing with here:

"Two months and 14 million–plus hits since its March 1 launch, StopDrLaura.com has become one of the most impressive weapons in the American lesbian and gay activism arsenal. Like a cyber machine gun, it has hit its targets with precision: the people and institutions involved in the creation and distribution of homophobic radio talk-show host Laura Schlessinger’s planned syndicated talk show for Paramount Television. The moment people’s names and numbers went up on the Web site, their phones began to ring incessantly, their fax machines began to churn, their E-mail accounts filled to capacity, and all were forced to realize that something was very, very wrong out there — something they each had a role in precipitating...."

--"Takin' it to the streets," by Mike Signorile, the Advocate, 2000

But the larger point here is not to cavil at how low Laura Schlessinger's enemies stooped to find the mud to throw at her because she expressed her opinions powerfully in a public forum that reached millions, but to marvel at the precision with which your multi-newbie attack on Bryan for posting Reisman, and Reisman for opining ag'in' your interest, replicates the Laura-borking template used in 2000.

Interesting that the archived StopDrLaura web page doesn't seem to preserve the link to the hatchet article I refer to. It's gone -- the sneers about her professional credentials, the backbiting about her radio career, the salacious details about her affair, the links to the Bartcop photos. Nice cleanup job on their part.

Poppy Dixon and Avedon Carol aren't blowing me away as standup professional resources, madg. They aren't even good sources of salaciousness -- that old photo of Reisman as a featured act on a children's show? What's that supposed to prove, that Reisman once had a job working for Bob Keeshan? And? What am I to infer? That she's a "nobody" because she had a humble job, forty years ago? I know a hatchet job when I see one, even when it doesn't have a lot to work with.

170 posted on 09/03/2002 1:02:54 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Yakboy; Skooz; yendu bwam
[Yakboy] ....the media, in it's perpertual state of idiocy and hatred of all things Christian, will never fail to infer that the problem was because the offender was a priest,...

The thought has crossed my mind that the principal inducement for the Leftstream media to cover the Church's pederasty scandal is that it afforded them a chance to attack and damage the Roman Catholic Church. They'd do anything to attack the Catholic Church and its magisterium. That is the "culture war" Pat Buchanan talks about.

171 posted on 09/03/2002 1:31:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: madg
Even if that were true, then why did the poster assume that it was a gay man? You just admitted that he could have been bisexual, but that's not what the poster said. In fact, if he were openly gay, he wouldn't have been allowed there in the first place. That suggests that he was anything BUT openly gay.

He's a man with homosexual attractions.

175 posted on 09/03/2002 3:53:49 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: madg
This is why it is such a disservice to warn children to "look out for the gay guys." "The gay guys," meaning those that are openly gay, are generally NOT the ones involved in molesting kids. What the kids (even the boys) need to look for are the ostensibly heterosexual molesters. They represent the greatest risks to all children.

Homosexual men are sexually attracted to teenage boys. They should NOT be in the Boy Scouts. If heterosexual molesters presented such a great risk, the Catholic Church scandal would have been about heterosexual molestations. It wasn't and it isnt'. Finally, Boy Scouts doesn't have to worry about heterosexuals who would molest teenage girls, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TEENAGE GIRLS THERE!

176 posted on 09/03/2002 3:56:08 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: madg
Now, how many priests have been accused of misconduct? 200? 300? Let’s say 300.

There are more than three hundred, just in the northeast. (and 80 in Boston). The point is, homosexual men have attraction to sexually mature males (including teenage boys). In the Catholic Church, homosexual men should NOT be allowed access to such boys.

177 posted on 09/03/2002 3:58:47 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: madg; Polycarp
It’s terrible whenever a kid gets molested… but why try to blame it on “gay priests” when, in all likelihood, almost 100% of them are NOT INVOLVED?

Polycarp, from her interactions with homosexual priests in her diocese, and those abused, estimates that approximately 1/3 of homosexual priests are molesters (are willing to sexually involve teenage boys). I believe that the number of priests actually removed is only a small fraction of the total number of homosexual priests involved, given that only a small fraction of those molested have likely come forward. I do not blame all gay priests. But, madg, say, you let heterosexual men be Girl Scout leaders. Some girls would be abused (though at a far lower rate than in the homosexual case). That alone would be enough reason to bar heterosexual men from being Girl Scout leaders (as they, with common sense, are). I've seen a number of surveys in which 70% or so homosexual men over the age of 21 admit to having had sex with boys under the age of 18. The Catholic Church needs to decide - a queerized priesthood, or one that's safe for teenage boys. As long as it remains heavily homosexual, teenage boys will be at risk. Homosexual men can do whatever depraved things they want to do in the bedroom. They have NO business around my sons, either in the Church or in Boy Scouts (or anywhere else).

178 posted on 09/03/2002 4:05:17 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: madg
This is why it is such a disservice to warn children to "look out for the gay guys.

It's completely and perfectly appropriate to warn teenage boys to be wary of the sexual advances of homosexual men. Boy Scouts does this as part of their program to reduce the incidence of homosexual molestation in the scouts, and it's been quite effective.

179 posted on 09/03/2002 4:07:17 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JCG
Any study of Gay lifestyles clearly demonstrates that Gays are a troubled group. Use search words like bathhouse or stonewall and you will see a world of sad sexual devients who wish everyone would accept them, or at least give them access to their little boys. BTW any study of the priest cases will show that gay men raped teenage boys in over 90% of the cases. If the truth hurts , to bad. --MM
180 posted on 09/03/2002 4:08:10 PM PDT by mustapha mond
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