Defeating Gay Arguments with Simple Logic

Abiding Truth Ministries ^ | 2002 | Scott Douglas Lively

[steve-b]

heterosexuality is immutable

The second of the three traditions of the Royal Navy proves otherwise.

[steve-b]

Don't allow your opponent to place the burden of proof upon you to disprove one of his or her assumptions.

Can you prove that it didn't happen?
  --Criswell, Plan Nine From Outer Space

[Go Gordon]

Bump for later reading

[johnb838]

I'm a Hater. A Homophobic Hater. Yea!

[johnb838]

Bugger off. Are you a faggot?

[Clint N. Suhks]

Well, if you think the DSMII is valid then the updated DSMIV must be even more valid.

Sophistry in motion, I have to admit it, you are good.

Care to try again?

No need, I’ve made my case quite handily, POLITICS + SCIENCE = NO SCIENCE.

All the sophistry in the world can’t change that.

[Clint N. Suhks]

First. Never leave unchallenged any argument in which sexual orientation theory, homosexual immutability or the equivalency of heterosexuality and homosexuality is assumed (which is just about any discussion you will ever have on this issue).

How pathetic are you, a six minute rebuttal after a response to a nearly three hour old post? What, did you just sit there hitting the refresh button until I posted? Like I said, justifying your perversion is a full time job and the author is right about homosexual activists (you), never leaving any discussion unchallenged.

[johnb838]

Homosexuality is deviant sexual behavior that causes the spread of disease and dysfunction. Before AIDS most of the hershey-highway ridin' rump rangers died of Hepatitis.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Just ask "ex-gay" poster children, John Paulk,

Ummm…isn’t he the one who was photographed in a gay bar having a beer, perhaps you should ask his wife and kids how mutable it is? Guilt by association is NOT proof, if walking into a gay bar and having a drink makes you homosexual then I’ll bet you probably, or someone you know, are one too. As far as

Michael Bussee, Gary Cooper, Wade Richards, etc., etc

are concerned, people fall off the wagon while in many therapies, why is this so astonishing to you? That FACT that there’s any success rate PROVES that homosexuality can be cured.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Blah, blah, blah…And it still remains that homosexual steve-b’s poor argument is sarcasm.

Good job steve-o, the steve-minator, steve-kenstein….Hey look I can do it too!

[William Terrell]

So why don’t you make this easy and just post the compelling, valid, and peer-reviewed evidence that supports your assertion of sexual orientation as a pathology?

Are you saying that in the cases of mental illness, especially those which revolve around issues of identity, you have to have to have a "compelling, valid, and peer-reviewed evidence" that supports an assertion that those conditions are pathological? You can't just observe the social and personal trauma associated with the condition?

All the sick and/or violent people in institutions because of their danger to themselves and others couldn't have been diagnosed and placed there without that "compelling, valid, and peer-reviewed evidence"?

If a kleptomaniac steals from you every time he is in your house, do you need "compelling, valid, and peer-reviewed evidence" to boot him out?

Can't you just note that their condition is sick when contrasted with entire mass of normal people, and how the structure of reality is obviously set up? You need astudy, the conclusions of which everyone must agree?

Incidently, how is homosexuality equivilent to hetrosexuality?

[Lurking Libertarian]

The Supreme Court recognizes minority status only for those groups which 1) have suffered a history of discrimination, 2) are powerless to help themselves and 3) are defined by immutable characteristics.

Not true; "protected class" status has also been afforded to religious minorities, and religion is certainly mutable.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Yes, there is NO SCIENCE supporting your position

Well, let’s see.

• First, logic IS science.
• Second, the DSM II is!

  ”So why don’t you make this easy and just post the compelling, valid, and peer-reviewed evidence that supports your assertion of sexual orientation as a pathology? Go ahead… make your case.”

  You go right ahead mad “gay”, and I’ll just keep asserting the DSM II which is compelling, valid, and peer-reviewed evidence that specifically ANSWERS your question. Other versions of the DSM don’t disprove, rebut or refute the compelling, valid, and peer-reviewed evidence that you ask for.

  your minority opinion

  Yes, a VOTE of science, hehe, 58% to 42% of over 10,000 psychiatrists is a minority, but it still doesn’t constitute your laughable conclusion that it is SCIENCE.

[Born in a Rage]

You seem to have some sort of fixation with "Hersheys" are you having a sugar craving? Actually, I think the whole anal thing is quite disgusting, I don't even like typing the word. However, from what I understand, there are straight couples who engage in that behavior too so I don't think it is necessarily a "gay" thing, is it?

And, no...I'm not a "faggot" as you so 'sweetly' put it. I am happily married woman but also bisexual. I think women are beautiful, at least most of them. Come on and get a clue. Why do you think "Ladies Home Journal" and those type of magazines always end up in the recycle bin first while "Cosmopolitan" with half dressed women on the cover and "Victoria's Secret" with women cuddling up next to each other and no men in it stay around in the magazine holders? If you can figure that one out you may be a genius.

And futhermore, may I say...in your dreams buddy, in your dreams.

[Clint N. Suhks]

That claim presupposes pathology in a complete lack evidence, thereby pathologizing millions of people that do NOT exhibit any “social and personal trauma.”

I love this argument! So if pedophiles, bestials and others with similar paraphilic disorders don’t have anxiety, poor psychosocial functioning or negative well-being then they’re not sick either? That sort of logic, or lack there of, is rather specious don’t you think?

[Born in a Rage]

PROVES that homosexuality can be cured.

Hmmmm, you may be right. I've heard that many men with long prison sentences have had their heterosexuality cured after a few years behind prison walls.