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GOP senators keep 'nuclear option' in reserve for judges
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | 5/7/03 | Charles Hurt

Posted on 05/07/2003 10:26:39 AM PDT by medscribe

Republicans could immediately break the current filibusters against two of President Bush's judicial nominees with a rarely used parliamentary procedure that would confirm them through a simple majority vote, according to a plan under consideration by Senate Republicans.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: estrada; filibusters; judges; owen; senate
So when is the next recess for the Senate? I have a feeling that Frist will pull this out on the final day of the session and nuke the Dems with it.
1 posted on 05/07/2003 10:26:39 AM PDT by medscribe
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GOP senators keep 'nuclear option' in reserve for judges

Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Published May 7, 2003


     Republicans could immediately break the current filibusters against two of President Bush's judicial nominees with a rarely used parliamentary procedure that would confirm them through a simple majority vote, according to a plan under consideration by Senate Republicans.
     The tactic would be so drastic in the usually congenial Senate that Republicans refer to it as their "nuclear option."
     Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania Republican, alluded to the maneuver in a Judiciary Committee hearing yesterday, but added ominously, "I'm not going to discuss that."
     Republicans have grown increasingly frustrated over the filibuster Democrats lodged against Washington lawyer Miguel A. Estrada two months ago. Mr. Bush nominated Mr. Estrada to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia two years ago this month.
     Though Mr. Estrada has support from a majority of senators — including four Democrats — a stallwart group of 45 Democrats has voted five times to prevent Mr. Estrada's nomination from reaching the Senate floor for a final vote.
     Then last week, Democrats lodged a second filibuster. Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owen, nominated to the 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, has support from 52 senators, a majority, but short of the 60 needed to force a final vote.
     "The filibuster properly used can be valuable in ensuring that we have a full and adequate debate," said Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican, who chaired a hearing yesterday aimed at ending the judicial gridlock and smoothing confirmations of future nominees.
     But, he added, "majorities must be permitted to govern."
     The "nuclear option" being discussed among Republicans only has been tried twice in the history of the Senate, according to former Parliamentarian Bob Dove.
     Most recently, it was used in 1975 to make it easier to break filibusters. For more than two decades, civil rights legislation had been routinely stalled in the Senate because it was nearly impossible to break filibustering minorities.
     Vice President Nelson A. Rockefeller came over to the Senate to preside as president of the body and recognized a resolution to change the Senate's "standing rules" to make it easier to break the filibuster.
     Immediately, a "point of order" — or parliamentary objection — was made. Mr. Rockefeller tabled the objection and the resolution was put to a simple up-or-down vote and passed by a simple majority.
     "It was an ugly, ugly scene," said Mr. Dove, who was the Senate's assistant parliamentarian at the time.
     Democrats warn that tinkering with such vital elements of the institution is dangerous.
     "The rules [of the Senate] do not always produce the result which a majority of the Senate at a particular time would like," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, at Mr. Cornyn's hearing. "But over the long run, they have produced the kind of Senate which the Framers of the Constitution intended."
     Partisan disagreement over judicial nominations is so intense that senators couldn't even agree on the title of Mr. Cornyn's hearing: "Judicial Nominations, Filibusters and the Constitution: When a majority is denied its right to consent."
     "The title suggests that [the hearing] may be intended to turn up the heat rather than cool things down," said Sen. Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin Democrat, who warned that any effort to change Senate rules "will be met with stiff resistance."
     As with the country's actual nuclear arsenal, there is a form of mutually assured destruction here, too.
     The only thing holding Republicans back from breaking the filibuster this way is knowing that the same weapon will be used against them someday in the future when the roles are reversed.
     "The old bears in the Senate want to preserve their ability to filibuster the Democrats in the future," said one key Senate aide, who also stressed that such a maneuver would only be used to break filibusters involving executive nominees.
     "If the Democrats take back the Senate — God forbid — the first 10 things they bring up will be anathema to us but they'll say [forget] you, we have our 51 votes."

2 posted on 05/07/2003 10:30:01 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: medscribe
Though Mr. Estrada has support from a majority of senators -- including four Democrats -- a stallwart group of 45 Democrats has voted five times to prevent Mr. Estrada's nomination from reaching the Senate floor for a final vote.

Intentional typo? <|:)~

3 posted on 05/07/2003 10:32:05 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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"If the Democrats take back the Senate — God forbid — the first 10 things they bring up will be anathema to us but they'll say [forget] you, we have our 51 votes."

Got news for you THEY WILL DO THIS REGUARDLESS!!!!! Man how spineless is Frist?

4 posted on 05/07/2003 10:38:36 AM PDT by Bommer (Tom Dasshole is a Domestic Enemy!!!)
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Spineless??? That how he avoided military duty, for real.
5 posted on 05/07/2003 10:41:38 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: SunStar
"If the Democrats take back the Senate — God forbid — the first 10 things they bring up will be anathema to us but they'll say [forget] you, we have our 51 votes."

OK with me. 51 votes is 51 votes, and that should rule the day. The rest of this is arcane Senate BS.
6 posted on 05/07/2003 10:44:35 AM PDT by Califelephant
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The very fact that this is even being discussed now will be sufficient justification for the Clintoncrats doing exactly this when they are back in power.
7 posted on 05/07/2003 10:57:26 AM PDT by gridlock (Clintoncrat = Post 1992 Democrat. There is not Democrat Party outside the Clinton Syndicate.)
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Why announce ahead of time what they're considering? Just do it. No warning, no courtesy. Just grow a pair and do it. Warning them only gives them time to plot against it. And further if they promise to be more reasonable in the fall, they'll just reneg on it.
8 posted on 05/07/2003 11:05:48 AM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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Go for it.....


9 posted on 05/07/2003 11:10:11 AM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: Califelephant
We would have HillaryCare as law, but for the filibuster. For all his deficiencies, Bob Dole held the fort against Clinton and HillaryCare until we took the senate majority in 1994.
10 posted on 05/07/2003 11:13:48 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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The GOP should to this and qualify it for this purpose....
11 posted on 05/07/2003 11:15:00 AM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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The only thing holding Republicans back from breaking the filibuster this way is knowing that the same weapon will be used against them someday in the future when the roles are reversed.

What the hell makes them think that the democRATs won't do it whether the Republicans do or not? Grow some balls for goodness sake.

12 posted on 05/07/2003 11:32:58 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: medscribe; deport
Thanks for the post MS and the link DP.
13 posted on 05/07/2003 11:42:02 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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I agree completely.
14 posted on 05/07/2003 11:44:50 AM PDT by Eala (irrelevant (î-rèl´e-vent) 1:The UN 2:France 3:CNN 4:Tim Robbins 5:Chretien 6:Doonesbury)
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To: medscribe; Congressman Billybob; All
Does anyone know if this would change the procedure for these two votes only, or for all judicial nominees from this day forward?

If it is for these two votes only, I say we hold off until they have Pickering in there, and until we have a Supreme Court Nominee. We know the Dems will fillabuster any Supreme Court Justice that President Bush puts up.

15 posted on 05/07/2003 11:52:33 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: medscribe
let's hope they fall long before, but if they don't fall, use it
16 posted on 05/07/2003 11:54:16 AM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: codercpc
Properly done, this "nuclear option" will break the use of the filibuster for all judicial nominees, not just Estrada and Owen. I've discussed this for two weeks on FreeRepublic. This CAN be done; it only requires the will to do it.

It will ruffle the feathers of a lot of the Senators. These are tremendous egos on the hoof. Imagine 100 Norman Mailers. (I know, scary image. Sorry for upsetting your stomachs.)

Congressman Billybob

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17 posted on 05/07/2003 12:02:08 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ("Saddam has left the building. Heck, the building has left the building.")
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Then I say GO FOR IT.

I have been reading your posts for the past several months about this issue, but wasn't sure about that one point. Thanks so much for your help.

18 posted on 05/07/2003 12:25:59 PM PDT by codercpc
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"If the Democrats take back the Senate — God forbid — the first 10 things they bring up will be anathema to us but they'll say [forget] you, we have our 51 votes."

As opposed to the way they're acting now, "forget you, we have our *41* votes."

19 posted on 05/07/2003 12:56:18 PM PDT by GoLightly
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