[cogitator]

This is pretty significant, because Third World countries emit considerably more black soot pollution than modern industrialized nations, and control of these emissions can be pushed both for climate and public health reasons.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

I believe absolutely nothing with which James Hansen is associated. The guy is more or less the orginal global warming fear monger.

[LiteKeeper]

readlater

[dirtboy]

The researchers concluded if these soot particles are not reduced, at least as rapidly as light-colored pollutants, the world could warm more quickly.

Then why did global temps DROP after the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo? Sometimes dese guys just don't make sense...

[paulk]

Totally bogus because they think the public doesn’t know any physics. Yes, black does absorb more radiation due to black’s higher emissivity, but due to the same emissivity, black also radiates more – sending atmospheric heat back out into space. (This is the same reason heatsinks are black – it helps them radiate heat)

[Eala]

There was an article on this in the Wall Street Journal last week. One interesting item there, not repeated here, was that most of the darker particulates come out of developing countries, whereas most of the lighter particulates were coming out of North America.

[Gary Boldwater]

Shucks! I just traded in the SUV for a Yak!

[Maceman]

At present, the warming and cooling effects of the dark and light particles partially balance.

So it's not really a problem then, is it?

[sergeantdave]

Soot is a product of ...biomass burning.
Yes!!!
Think I'll go fire up the barbecue and singe a steak.

[Tribune7]

Nukes are the answer. bump

[Publius6961]

What's next?
NASA Finds Water is Wet?

The real news is that some morons have just discovered soot.
It never existed prior to ummm 1890.
Isn't that when the automile was invented?

Dingbats!

[Prodigal Son]

This is pretty significant, because Third World countries emit considerably more black soot pollution than modern industrialized nations, and control of these emissions can be pushed both for climate and public health reasons.

Aye.

Politics Stalls Global Warming Research

As much as half of any artificial global warming that may be due to human activity is caused by the long-distance travel of airborne soot and similar pollutants, says meteorologist James R. Mahoney, assistant secretary of commerce and coordinator of climate change research for the Bush administration.

But research into the phenomenon is being stalled by the politics of global warming, as India in February 2003 persuaded the United Nations Environment Program to drop research efforts. The United States objected to the proposed 1997 Kyoto climate change protocols because they did not require mandatory reductions in emissions of so-called greenhouse gases by developing countries. Indian officials are reported to be concerned that such research bolsters the U.S. case.

The two-mile thick, continent-size cloud over the Indian Ocean -- dubbed the "Asian Brown Cloud" -- was discovered in 1999 by Indian scientist Veerabhadran Ramanathan.

• The reigning theory of "aerosols" -- airborne particles such as soot -- was that they soon drop from the sky, leaving the earth's atmosphere relatively pristine.
• Scientists previously believed only greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide could be carried by prevailing winds for thousands of miles from their source.
• But Ramanathan's six-week, $25 million experiment discovered the cloud -- at some points more than 1,000 miles from the source.
• The research suggests that the cloud could reduce sunlight hitting the earth in that area by as much as 15 percent and cut rainfall over much of Asia by up to 40 percent.

Asian pollution contains dark soot from hundreds of millions of dung-fueled cooking fires and inefficient coal furnaces. Soot warms the upper air by absorbing sunlight and artificially cools the earth's surface. This can cause regional droughts due to less evaporation from the cooler ocean.

Source: John J. Fialka, "Discovery of 'Asian Brown Cloud' Over Indian Ocean Sets Off Fight," Wall Street Journal, May 6, 2003.

[John Lenin]

And if you believe this article as fact you probalbly believe the quotes below.

The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population. -- Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man", (1971)

The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer -- Paul Ehrlich - The Population Bomb (1968)

I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 -- Paul Ehrlich in (1969)

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. -- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion -- Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century -- Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. -- Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000. -- Lowell Ponte "The Cooling", 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. -- Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)

[GhostofWCooper]

The same libbo pukes that demonize nuclear power and exempt the third world from their kyoto accord, are crying about the burning of wood, coal and oil. They are psychos, and hopeless psychos at that.

[Old Professer]

A long time ago, there was a multi-million dollar study done in California to find out where all the rubber from tires went -- they actually vacuumed roadway berms, medians, etc. all to no avail.

They concluded that the rubber more or less vaporized and was lost to the wind.

[SuziQ]

Wouldn't volcanos be putting out more soot than most countries? There are volcanos all over the world spewing stuff every day.

[RIGHT IN SEATTLE]

Forget about rocket exhaust.

Or foam insulation hitting a wing during liftoff.

Then NASA trying to duck and cover.

Defund NASA, AMERICAN PATROL does a better job!!!!!!

[ancient_geezer]

The researchers concluded if these soot particles are not reduced, at least as rapidly as light-colored pollutants, the world could warm more quickly.

Gee, then there is something besides CO2 driving the climate.

Of course even soot needs a prime mover:

Red Planet Warming;

Global Warming on Triton (Neptune's moon)

Think maybe there might be something in common?

Climatic temperature is predominantly driven by Solar heating/cooling arising from variation of solar irradiance, due to variations in distance from the Sun, and variable Solar output plus variations in Earth's orbital alignment with mean solar system plane and geophysical events affecting planetary albedo.

Ice Ages & Astronomical Causes
Brief Introduction to the History of Climate
&
Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle
by Richard A. Muller

[farmfriend]

Other than the obvious third world countries contribute more soot, this is what caught my eye:

The scientists compared the AERONET data with Chin's global-aerosol computer model and GISS climate model, both of which included sources of soot aerosols consistent with the estimates of the IPCC. The researchers found the amount of sunlight absorbed by soot was two-to-four times larger than previously assumed.

The computer models were wrong, again. Why do they still take stock in these models?

[farmfriend]

rights/farms/environment ping.

If you would like on or off this list, just let me know.

[Carry_Okie]

Here come the regulations on particulates dictating that we have to offset coal burning in the LDCs.

Meanwhile, they'll also demand an end to prescribed fire and the forests will end up consumed by "Acts of God."

Bet me it won't happen.