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To: Polycarp
Perhaps someone can explain to me:
1... Why is was better to have the police power to break into someone's house (on a false police report by a neighbor) than to let people be?
2... How many people abstain from this sort of behavior simply BECAUSE OF THE LAW AGAINST IT?
3... Do you really think that putting the two original sex partners in this case in prison (with umpteen thousand other male inmates) is likely to REDUCE their homosexual behavior?
3 posted on 06/29/2003 11:34:20 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
You either out of willful ignorance or disengenuousness refuse to see what this court decision is truly about. Your points are mute. This isn't about privacy. SCOTUS just undermined every law in the country based upon public morals, and all you can do is repeat the same tired red herring argument? Pathetic.
5 posted on 06/29/2003 11:40:15 AM PDT by Polycarp (To all hiding out in theReligionForumGhetto-It's time to fight the CultureOfDeath on the NewsForum)
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To: Izzy Dunne
"1... Why is was better to have the police power to break into someone's house (on a false police report by a neighbor) than to let people be?"

"Be" what, perverters of human nature? Conveyors of AIDS? Openly lewd, lascivious pigs? Child molesters? Truck stop and men's room predators? Voyeristic Boyscout troop leaders who leer at the boys? Same-sex Sodomites who play with each others genitals but can't procreate? NAMBLA members who push for man-boy sex? Angry pigs who parade themselves down Main Street each year in drag and throw condoms at Saint Patrick's Cathedral? National sub-culture members who rank number one in suicides, alcoholism, drug addiction, partner abuse and sexually transmitted diseases?

"2... How many people abstain from this sort of behavior simply BECAUSE OF THE LAW AGAINST IT?"

Nobody can ever know that, but the law represents the PEOPLE and their interests, and is based on the moral and physical good for the nation as a whole. How many people refrain from robbing and killing because the law is against it?

"3... Do you really think that putting the two original sex partners in this case in prison (with umpteen thousand other male inmates) is likely to REDUCE their homosexual behavior?"

Prison isn't really designed to reduce behaviors, it's designed to punish bad behaviors and keep dangerous people away from the general population.

25 posted on 06/29/2003 12:02:35 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Izzy Dunne
The Supreme Court could very well have held that evidence coming from that kind of forcible entry could not be used in a sex case without violating due process (through violating privacy). A narrow decision that did not strike down sodomy laws would have been easy to write.
30 posted on 06/29/2003 12:05:12 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Izzy Dunne
Amen. It's appaling how many people describe this decision as being "Pro-Gay" (or "Pro-Sodomy", which pretty much clarifies their own attitudes) instead of "Pro-Privacy" or "Pro-Safety from Govt Intrusion".

It's worth emphasizing that this decision did not legitimize same-sex marriage or anything else. It only decriminalized same-sex relationships to the same extent as hetero relationships, and these relationship MUST have ALL the following characteristics:
(1) Between (among) full adults,
(2) Entirely voluntary,
(3) Entirely in private,
(4) Non-monetary.
There are still laws on the books that criminalize any relationship - hetero or homo - that lack any one of those characteristics.

37 posted on 06/29/2003 12:11:39 PM PDT by DonQ
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To: Izzy Dunne
1... Why is was better to have the police power to break into someone's house (on a false police report by a neighbor) than to let people be?

The police DID NOT BREAK IN to someone's house and that was no mere neighbor.

The door was unlocked. The "neighbor" was a roommate and homosexual lover of one of the men.

The police did not know that it was a false complaint at the time the call was received. If you want to prohibit the police from responding to 911 calls, then say so.

The caller was sentenced to 30 days in jail and reportedly served 15 (I do not know if he worked off some of his time).

The caller is now dead of an unrelated assault so he won't be giving any interviews.

One article I read said that the police claimed that there was a history of these men making false calls on each other. I still contend that the 3 men conspired to create the circumstance by which they could challenge the law (since overturning the law was the first thing they addressed after being arrested).

Perhaps the other fake phone calls were attempts to lure the police into their trap (and some didn't bite/charge them with homosexual sodomy).

40 posted on 06/29/2003 12:19:00 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Izzy Dunne
Would the nation's drug laws have been overturned if the 2 men had been caught smoking marijuana that they raised at home instead?

They're just gonna do it anyway. Yhe laws don't prevent them from engaging in the act.

The guards in jail sell contraband pot so they can still get high in prison.

47 posted on 06/29/2003 12:25:20 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Izzy Dunne
The objection conservatives have is not to the end result of the decision, but the foundations they used for that decision. They chose a freedom that hasn't been specified to base this upon. That's OK, based on the 9th amendment:

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

However, this effectively nullified the 10th amendment:

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Using the logic in this decision, one could justify stealing cable TV access, incest, using cocaine, and most any other formerly illegal act. It's not a stretch to say the identical process would apply to these behaviors.
55 posted on 06/29/2003 12:30:32 PM PDT by gitmo (What's in the Constitution isn't. And vice-versa.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Perhaps someone can explain to me: 1... Why is was better to have the police power to break into someone's house (on a false police report by a neighbor) than to let people be?

The homosexuals themselves arranged the false call and then sodomized each other with the door either open or unlocked, specifically so the police would see them, arrest them, and have the case come to the Supreme Court.

2... How many people abstain from this sort of behavior simply BECAUSE OF THE LAW AGAINST IT?

If there are no laws against it, then it can be taught in schools as an alternative method of sex (it is already, and now there will be nothing to stop it) and being publicly accepted will promote it among impressionable youth.

3... Do you really think that putting the two original sex partners in this case in prison (with umpteen thousand other male inmates) is likely to REDUCE their homosexual behavior?\

They shouldn't be put into prison. They should be publicly flogged. Cheap, over soon, they can learn their lesson quickly, and public shame is a great teacher and preventive.

163 posted on 06/29/2003 5:34:39 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Izzy Dunne
Why is was better to have the police power to break into someone's house (on a false police report by a neighbor) than to let people be?

The circumstances were wrong, but the Court's decision has led to a renewal of cases fighting for normalization of Gay agendas. Surely you can see the difference?
282 posted on 06/29/2003 10:31:30 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Izzy Dunne
Perhaps someone can explain to me:

None of your points have anything to do with the SCOTUS decision. NOTHING!! Of the people, by the people, for the people CAN NOT co-exist with a Supreme Court that MAKES NEW LAW. The congress of the US makes laws and the Supreme Court REVIEWS those LAWS based on the US CONSTITUTION. NO WHERE, I reapeat NO WHERE does it state in the US Constitution that one has a right to PRIVACY!!! Nowhere does it state that one has a right to perform SODOMY. Judicial activism is RUINING this country.

Whether or NOT LAWS should be on the books is IRRELEVANT other than if the LAW IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL not if it just happens to be the pet project of national diversity sensitivity training.

477 posted on 06/30/2003 2:57:36 PM PDT by PISANO
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