Schwarzenegger's plan for hydrogen fuel called unrealistic

SFGate.com ^ | 9/23/03 | Zachary Coile - SF Chronicle

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[Orion78]

Are you suggesting that Cigars contribute to air pollution?

[Chemist_Geek]

The fire was from the paint containing finely divided metal grains, not the H₂ aboard.

Gasoline is orders of magnitude more flammable and dangerous than H₂. We're just lucky that gas was popularized before Americans lost their balls and got so risk-averse and sue-happy.

[Chemist_Geek]

Now you're in for it. The neo-luddites will be coming out of the woodwork for your suggesting that there might be something to H₂ fuel...

[Orion78]

"Hence, the likely outcome of going to hydrogen powered vehicles will be more emissions than there are now; they'll just be moved from the cars to the power plants."

If you use only nuclear power to create the hydrogen, you just create more nuclear waste. Sure, nuclear waste is bad, but at least you know where it is and can stay away from it. Not so with pollution from automobile exhausts and coal/oil power plants. It mixes in with the air that you breathe and unless you live in LA or some other big city, you can't see what you are breathing in.

[upcountryhorseman]

Incidently, it wasn't hydrogen that ignited initially,
it was the exterior paint.

[Orion78]

The problem with nuclear power is political, not technical.

The problem with nuclear power is public ignorance and fear.

[BMiles2112]

whats the cost per mile vs diesel including in environmental impact just to make all the crap needed to run them...
Nevermind that.... it's for the children.

[Afronaut]

Oh oh .. Maybe just the Cubans?

[Orion78]

All 'pollution' issues aside, I would hope Arnold isn't smoking Cuban cigars because he is contributing to the success of a communist economy.

Also, I think if Arnold expects people to take him seriously about cutting exhaust emissions, he should drive a hybrid car to all his political events.

[heleny]

Nuclear energy is clean energy, and using it to produce hydrogen fuel cells is a good idea (although perhaps it's still too early to have hydrogen refueling stations available every 20 miles). Who knows how much hydrogen will cost a consumer, and if it will be taxed like gasoline to pay for our welfare state?

Someone asked what his competitors think. Tom McClintock suggested reducing emissions by building more freeway lanes instead of squandering money on mass transit, and thereby engineering a smoother traffic flow. After all, being stuck in a traffic jam gets you zero miles per gallon of gasoline, diesel, or hydrogen gas.

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/iss_trans.asp
Issues: Transportation and Highways

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/article_detail.asp?PID=211
California Asphalt and Pavement Association - Los Angeles, California
Senator Tom McClintock
Date: January 24, 2002
Publication Type: Speech or Statement

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/article_detail.asp?PID=30
Ending California’s 25-Year Hate Affair with the Car
Senator Tom McClintock
Date: March 17, 1999
Publication Type: Column

Gridlocked automobiles create twice the NO_X contaminants and six times the carbon contaminants per mile as those operating at peak efficiency. Bringing California’s highways back to capacity would be the environmental equivalent of removing half the automobiles from the roads during rush hours for nitrogen oxides and removing five cars out of six for carbon.

[Afronaut]

15 ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, It never hurts to have a father-in-law who smokes cigars. Sargent Shriver, the father of Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria, the TV correspondent, offered him a cigar after a dinner, shortly after Schwarzenegger and Maria met in 1977. Now, any complaints Maria might make about her husband's cigar smoking can be parried with a quick reference to her dad. "You can always say, 'Look, honey, your father wouldn't have introduced me to something that's bad,' " the ex-bodybuilder once cracked.

Link

[Afronaut]

Meanwhile Arnold lives handsomely. He drives a Mercedes, fancies Cuban cigars and American Western art, and owns a $300,000 Spanish-style Santa Monica home. Conan director John Milius is a buddy, and there's talk of as many as four sequels. While awaiting the final figures on Conan to make their decision, the two men trap shoot or, clad in black leather, cruise on their customized Harley-Davidsons.

Link

[mikeb704]

Issues, smissues, just vote for me

[68 grunt]

Hey y'all, President Bush has called for research and use of hydrogen generators, is the president a whackoo? Do you support him?

[William Tell]

From the article: "With some concerted effort and intelligent policies that combine developing fuel cells and transportation and stationary (fuel cell) sources, we can have a hydrogen economy much sooner."

The major limitation to developing new technology is the need to apply significant levels of engineering to various technical problems.

Years ago it was proposed to legislative mandate that the value of pi ( the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter ) be exactly 3 rather than the an irrational value only about 3% higher.

The simplifications in the resulting engineering calculations and the savings of three, four, or more digits of precision could result in incalculable savings in both time and effort.

Only the advent of inexpensive calculators has postponed consideration of this obvious efficiency improvement.

Even the historically interesting mathematical problem of "squaring the circle" becomes trivial using the proposed Euclidean ebonics.

[Orion78]

Arnold deserves to live handsomely. I don't really care that he has a Mercedes and has a 300,000$ Santa Monica home. However, I am disapointed he smokes cuban cigars and my only point is if he expects people to take him seriously about cutting pollution, he needs to lead by example and ride his customized Harley instead of driving his HUMVEE.

[CheneyChick]

He has an Indian motorcycle as well...