Baptists critiques 'open theism' as false doctrine

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=6416 ^ | 2/04/04 | Jeff Robinson

[sheltonmac]

So when the event does not occur it is because man responded to warnings of God..so indeed there was a change..a change of men . A change that was no surprise to God

This was the case with Jonah. God wasn't surprised by the outcome, but Jonah certainly was!

[Between the Lines]

But when someone wants to bring it up as a current or new theology that frees us from an oppressive God. It is then time to expose it's history with the Church of Jesus Christ.

I think I get it. Nothing works like old artillery to fight an old battle. Just kidding.

Though the Baptists wish this issue was behind them it is still circulating amoung some Baptist churches and theologians.

[Vernon]

Vernon and xzins seem to have embraced it.

I will let xzins speak for himself, but this is NOT the case for me. Since you obviously do not understand my position, I would appreciate being left out of your comments. Thanks for your understanding.

[Corin Stormhands]

And RN, I have a degree from a Wesleyan College. But I can't/won't speak for every Wesleyan out there.

I'm telling you what Wesley taught.

[Between the Lines]

Unfortunately it seems that Wesleyans like it and teach it to their flock.

The folling is from Does God know the future?

Open theists delight when misinformed individuals assume that the historic theological debate between Calvinism and Arminianism drives the current debate about God's foreknowledge. Such an assumption neglects the strong emphasis on God's foreknowledge within the Arminian tradition. James Arminius, for example, wrote, "God knows all things from eternity. He knows all things immeasurably. He knows all things immutable, his knowledge not being varied."

[Between the Lines]

folling = following

[gcruse]

God really and truly changes his mind.

The implication being that the first state of mind was erroneous, which clashes with perfection. Of course, were it otherwise, prayer is a waste of time, as entreating God to veer from the Perfect Path is heresy.

[siunevada]

So thanks for nothing Catholics!

You're most certainly welcome!

Production of tares is at an all time high!

[Campion]

It's the "good Catholics" of Massachusetts. So thanks for nothing Catholics! It's Catholicism that is continually producing these wishy-washy, liberal, and nominal Christians.

Um, yeah. Right.

Nurse, increase his thorazine dose, and add some valium. Stat!

[RnMomof7]

Though the Baptists wish this issue was behind them it is still circulating amoung some Baptist churches and theologians

Heresies rarely stay in one place.This will be popular among those that seek to make themselves above God.

[RnMomof7]

The implication being that the first state of mind was erroneous, which clashes with perfection. Of course, were it otherwise, prayer is a waste of time, as entreating God to veer from the Perfect Path is heresy.

What an excellent observation !!

Prayer does not change God. It changes us .As Jesus said we are to pray that HIS will be done , that bends our will to Him..not His will to ours.

[RnMomof7]

I will let xzins speak for himself, but this is NOT the case for me. Since you obviously do not understand my position, I would appreciate being left out of your comments. Thanks for your understanding.

Have you not defended it in your discussion with xzins?

[RnMomof7]

This kind of answer is why it was my belief that you were an open theology follower

Open Theology: A Response to John Piper by Dr. Gregory Boyd

      Posted by Vernon to Corin Stormhands On Religion 02/03/2004 10:11:18 PM EST #76 of 284

Since you addressed me, to deny God the ability to limit His knowledge makes Him less than God, and contradicts evidence as we see in Jesus. It does not mean He does not have the ability, but rather chooses a particular action for a particulr purpose.

Further,to insist on a relationship not based on the decision of the one loved, is not love...it is one of the most heinous crimes known to mankind.

Was Jesus loved?

[Wrigley]

Mom, here is some info that you may find interesting. This quote was used on another thread for same reason. I thought you'd like the complete story.

[siunevada]

Um, yeah. Right.

Okay, coffee break's over. Back to work.

We need CINOs and we need them now!

More discussions of feelings and less Scripture! Go! Go! Go!

Somebody get me an enneagram instructor! Quick!

[ksen]

I don't know why you are saying it like that. It's not Southern Baptists that have given us homosexual marriage. It's the "good Catholics" of Massachusetts. So thanks for nothing Catholics! It's Catholicism that is continually producing these wishy-washy, liberal, and nominal Christians.

I didn't mean to rub you the wrong way BB, sorry.

I was making a tongue in cheek comment because I am an Independent Baptist and us and Southern Baptists have been known to have our differences a time or two.

[bluebunny]

Yes. It's quite right. Catholicism has been associated with left-wing social causes for a long time now. It's no wonder gay marriage has come out of Catholic Massachusetts. In places dominated with Catholics, there is alot of liberalism and many of their scholars and theologians are always questioning Scripture. Why is this? The Protestant domination most close to Catholicism, the Episcopals are left-wing too. Why is this? Bury your head in the sand if you want.

[HarleyD]

If God changes His mind how do we know any prophecy will be fulfilled? What a stupid idea. Where's the Apostle Paul when we need him? I'd write Billy Graham but I doubt if that would do any good. :O)

Satan is out in full force to destroy the church and this is just another attack.

[Corin Stormhands]

You know well Mom that all Wesleyans are not created equal.

What's the background on the critter that wrote that?