Posted on 10/08/2004 12:23:57 PM PDT by Area Freeper
He did? Why does the Catholic church baptize infants and converts?
We could never get the nuns and priests at my Catholic High School to give us any info about Limbo, I'm guessing it was kind of embarassing to have to come up with an answer other than "its where unbaptized babies go." Of course when you asked the nuns why they were punished when the only sin they could have committed was spitting up on mommy, they pretty much changed the subject!
To affirm the fact that He conquered original sin.
Do you doubt that Christ conquered original sin?
Limbo is a fumbling patchwork. Infants who die without baptism, through no fault of their own, should be presumed to enjoy the Beatific Vision.
Your theology is modernist or protestant in nature and grossly contradicts Church teachings in the matter.
So, the Holy Innocents get to skate because Jesus had not actually declared a requirement for baptism? Of course, baptism of desire does not figure into your calculus, I'm sure. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Your theology is modernist or protestant in nature and grossly contradicts Church teachings in the matter.
There is no "Church teaching" on the fate of unbaptized infants, except the lame ferverino of limbo. We are, thus, free to speculate to our heart's content that God gives unbaptized infants the grace to choose eternal life with Him.
It is our duty to pray that these infants do choose Him.
They received the baptism of blood as martyrs.
I believe that every aborted baby is in God's loving arms.
The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." (CCC 1257)
So baptism is just an affirmation of fact? Just a symbolic ritual?
That explains New Rome's teaching that there are many paths to Heaven, for both the baptized, whether by water, blood or desire, or the unbaptized.
Yes, Virginia; there is no Hell.
By your posts, you presume to do the judging for God. On top of that, your judgment is contrary to His laws that Holy Mother the Church teaches.
You actually believe that an infant has the capacity to desire anything or is baptism the only exception? FYI, infants cannot make choices.
Yeah, we had some great priests when I attended school from K-12, but they also taught us to use our minds and question things, thankfully they thought that bizzare dogmatic oddities were pretty silly.
The nuns sure did have a thing for 'pagan babies', never figured out that one.
God owes salvation to everyone? Odd - I thought it was a free gift.
13 As it is written: Jacob I have loved: but Esau I have hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice with God? God forbid!
15 For he saith to Moses: I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. And I will shew mercy to whom I will shew mercy.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith to Pharao: To this purpose have I raised thee, that I may shew my power in thee and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore he hath mercy on whom he will. And whom he will, he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say therefore to me: Why doth he then find fault? For who resisteth his will?
20 O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it: Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Or hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump, to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath, fitted for destruction,
23 That he might shew the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy which he hath prepared unto glory?
Moses, David, Elijah, Abraham. All condemned to hell?
What about the parable of the workers in the field? Some entered in the ninth hour, others in the sixth hour, still others in the third hour. Yet they all receive the same recompense.
And what did the owner say? "Who are you to determine what I pay my workers?"
Do not presume on the generosity or mercy of God.
No....its necessary but only for some, and only sometimes - it kinda depends but not always(infants not included) - and oh yeah, God changes His mind only when convenient for us, sheesh! I never heard of such a thing as an infant making a choice.
Only in your world. Do not presume on the love or mercy of God.
If God is just, He owes the choice of salvation to everyone.
Your hearing is limited.
Your talking two different things. In the OT, you had to believe in a Redeemer to come, and you had to keep the Commandments. It was not enough just vaguely to "love God." And when the saints of the OT died, they remained in Limbo till Christ's ascension, THERE WAS NO BAPTISM IN THE OT.
I hear fine, its your thinking thats against reason.
He is Just, He owes everyone nothing
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