To: kerryusama04
To believe that Enoch was "saved", went to heaven, whatever, you have to believe that this was done without the atoning death and sacrifice of Jesus Christ, without which he was never forgiven for his sins.
We know that Enoch was a sinner, because he did not always walk with God:
Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah:
Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begot Methuselah three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters:
Enoch walked with God 300 years, but not the 365 years he was alive.
8 posted on
02/21/2007 9:21:56 AM PST by
DouglasKC
To: DouglasKC
To believe that Enoch was "saved", went to heaven, whatever, you have to believe that this was done without the atoning death and sacrifice of Jesus Christ, without which he was never forgiven for his sins.The blood of bulls and goats never saved anyone. To believe this, you have to believe, the Enoch and all the folks in the OT are all doomed to hell because Jesus' life had yet to be sacrificed. I personally believe that the plan of salvation was laid out at the foundation of the world, and that the OT saints, especially those who were resurrected when Jesus was, were all saved by His atoning sacrifice looking forward.
10 posted on
02/21/2007 9:33:31 AM PST by
kerryusama04
(Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
To: DouglasKC
To believe that Enoch was "saved", went to heaven, whatever, you have to believe that this was done without the atoning death and sacrifice of Jesus Christ, without which he was never forgiven for his sins.The blood of bulls and goats never saved anyone. To believe this, you have to believe, the Enoch and all the folks in the OT are all doomed to hell because Jesus' life had yet to be sacrificed. I personally believe that the plan of salvation was laid out at the foundation of the world, and that the OT saints, especially those who were resurrected when Jesus was, were all saved by His atoning sacrifice looking forward.
11 posted on
02/21/2007 9:33:34 AM PST by
kerryusama04
(Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
To: DouglasKC
Nothing in that passage said he did not "walk with God" prior to being 65, but we do know that "all have sinned."
16 posted on
02/21/2007 11:00:39 AM PST by
dangus
To: DouglasKC
"Enoch walked with God 300 years, but not the 365 years he was alive."
Read Genesis 5 again. It said Enoch walked with God for 300 years after he begot Methusaleh. He begot him at age 65. So the 300 years after Methusaleh's birth were years that he walked with God. So at age 365, when he was taken, he was walking with God.
Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah:
Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begot Methuselah three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters:
JM
38 posted on
02/22/2007 4:42:40 AM PST by
JohnnyM
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