Posted on 02/22/2007 11:55:32 AM PST by DouglasKC
On some air bases the Air Force is on one side of the field and civilian aircraft use the other side of the field, with the control tower in the middle. One day the tower received a call from an aircraft asking, "What time is it?"
The tower responded, "Who is calling?"
The aircraft replied, "What difference does it make?"
The tower replied, "It makes a lot of difference... If it is an American Airlines flight, it is 3 o'clock. If it is an Air Force plane, it is 1500 hours. If it is a Navy aircraft, it is 6 bells. If it is an Army aircraft, the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand is on the 3. If it is a Marine Corps aircraft, it's Thursday afternoon and 120 minutes to "Happy Hour."
I think it's great that people can look up things on the internet. I would encourage all believers to learn greek, hebrew and whatever else will help them to learn the bible. As far as the "mansions", I looked up the Ambassador Bible College Correspondence Course
. The version I'm quoting from is the one copyrighted in 1954 and 1965. This of course is the course that was required of all new members of the Worldwide Church of God. Concerning "mansions" it says:
COMMENT: "Mansions" -- rooms -- in the "Father's house" -- God's Temple in the Old Testament times -- were occupied by God's priests. These ROOMS represented POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY.
WHEN Jesus will have returned to this earth, as King of kings, RULER of all nations on earth, THEN He will say to the saved: "Come, ye blessed ... INHERIT THE KINGDOM, prepared for you." The Kingdom of God is the divine, ruling FAMILY of God. It will rule all nations, here ON EARTH! The saints will HAVE POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY in that Kingdom. To enter into -- to INHERIT -- the divine Kingdom of God is a destiny of such marvelous GLORY that your mind cannot grasp it now! And our inheritance, as divine members of the very GOD FAMILY, shall be the earth for an EVERLASTING POSSESSION.
I can't be sure what you heard. Perhaps someone in your church said something like that. If so, they were wrong and it's a shame that you've been laboring under that misconception for so long.
Lord that it is more important who one believes rather than what they believe about all the intricacies of someone's pet theories . . and that PERSON had darn well be JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD . . and it had darn well better be that He is believed fully well enough to OBEY HIS WORDS and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
I couldn't agree more if I tried. :-)
I don't know, and I'm not the judge of Garner Ted Armstrong, Christ is the ultimate Judge (unless Herbert has deemed that scripture naming Him the Judge a mistranslation as well) . . but if I remember correctly, he did not ultimately believe Christ (evidently) enough to keep his nose clean. I hope he got straightened out, but, frankly, I felt like I had wasted God's time reading and listening to his stuff on radio and in that magazine.
I was never a member of Worldwide Church of God so I didn't live through that. I do know that there were many rumors of Garner Ted Armstrongs problems with women. If true, it's too bad he muddied up the message with his personal problems.
I can't remember any scripture that states that if we do not toe the WWCoG line, our salvation is down the tubes.
Nor do I.
I resent the Army joke and demand a recount!
A new soldier was on sentry duty at the main gate. His orders were clear. No car was to enter unless it had a special sticker on the windshield. A big Army car came up with a general seated in the back. The sentry said, "Halt, who goes there?"
The chauffeur, a corporal, says, "General Wheeler."
"I'm sorry, I can't let you through. You've got to have a sticker on the windshield."
The general said, "Drive on!"
The sentry said, "Hold it! You really can't come through. I have orders to shoot if you try driving in without a sticker."
The general repeated, "I'm telling you, son, drive on!"
The sentry walked up to the rear window and said, "General, I'm new at this. Do I shoot you or the the driver?"
"I resent the Army joke and demand a recount!"
That was a test right? You know we don't keep lists so how can we have a recount?
Having just moved into his new office, a pompous, new lieutenant-colonel was sitting at his desk when a soldier knocked on the door. Conscious of his new position, the lieutenant-colonel quickly picked up the phone, told the soldier to enter, then said into the phone, "Yes, General, I'll be seeing him this afternoon and I'll pass along your message. In the meantime, thank you for your good wishes, sir." Feeling as though he had sufficiently impressed the young enlisted man, he asked, "What do you want?"
"Nothing important, sir," the soldier replied, "I'm just here to hook up your telephone."
"Wikipedia" has interesting entries on the whole foundational dysfunction of this organization. I realize it has evidently regrouped under another Armstrong, but it is still built on failed prophecies (per "Wikipedia"), Garner Ted's immorality and SIN - or "personal problems" as you stated - and is not anything I personally could waste a moment pursuing.
I don't like getting into religious "arguments" (and don't intend to) with people who have it all figured out; but I do know what I READ, not heard from some "enemy" of Armstrongism. It appears to me that you are recruiting (for some reason) for Armstrongism, and I think anyone considering it, reading the "Wikipedia" entries before proceeding would be a good move.
As you well know being a Bible scholar, when a "prophet" gives a prophecy that sets dates for specific events and the prophecies are FALSE and do not occur, then that prophet is a FALSE PROPHET - and that is what this sounds like.
I would agree. And of course it's wrong biblically speaking to rejoice in the sins of others, so to be secretly pleased that someone else is sinning or has been caught in sin is a sin in itself.
I don't like getting into religious "arguments" (and don't intend to) with people who have it all figured out; but I do know what I READ, not heard from some "enemy" of Armstrongism. It appears to me that you are recruiting (for some reason) for Armstrongism, and I think anyone considering it, reading the "Wikipedia" entries before proceeding would be a good move.
You're free to characterize any Armstrong however you want. I'm not here to defend or attack the character of people I never knew or met. It's also your right to characterize any doctrine you disagree with as "Armstrongism", although I believe that this is another inaccurate term often applied to doctrine that was espoused long before Herbert Armstrong was born.
However, if you can't or won't discuss the topics I'm bringing up in these threads from a biblical and/or historical perspective then all you're really doing is attacking me personally. You apparently disagree with the premise of this article. Is it based just on a feeling or is there any biblical evidence that you would cite to support your supposition?
As you well know being a Bible scholar, when a "prophet" gives a prophecy that sets dates for specific events and the prophecies are FALSE and do not occur, then that prophet is a FALSE PROPHET - and that is what this sounds like
I would agree with that statement as far as it goes. I would say though that anyone who sets a date and specifically tells people that this is a pronouncement from God on high and is wrong would be a true false prophet. I would say that someone who sets a date based on misunderstanding, human pride or human knowledge is a fallible person.
I don't rejoice in the sins of people who have set themselves up as "spiritual leaders" and then proceed to indulge themselves in sinful behavior (that Scripture clearly denounces, but that they do not think applies to "special" them). I do rejoice when these so-called "spiritual leaders" are, in God's will and good time, publicly exposed for the charlatans they are and possibly then are able to humble themselves, repent, and be saved.
What did Moses do for constipation?
He took two tablets and went to the mountains.
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