Posted on 08/02/2009 7:09:23 PM PDT by TaraP
Those will be taken up in the "re-possession."
Great Post!
Also from the site...
Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Washington has discovered an interesting phenomenon while collating the Jewish Calendar and NASA’s eclipse website. A total lunar eclipse produces a “blood red moon.” According to NASA’s eclipse website, the year 2014 has two “blood red moons” or total eclipses of the moon, one occurring on April 15, 2014 (the Feast of Passover) and one occurring on October 8, 2014 (The Feast of Ingathering). These two eclipses are immediately followed by two additional “blood red moons” in the year 2015; one occurring on April 4, 2015 (the Feast of Passover) and one occurring on September 28, 2015 (the Feast of Ingathering). According to the NASA/GODDARD SPACE FLIGHT CENTER, four total lunar eclipses in a row is known as a tetrad. After the four “blood red moons” of 2014 and 2015, there are no more tetrads occurring on Jewish holidays in this century.
Joel 2:31 (NIV) The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
Acts 2:20 (NIV) The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
Matthew 24: 27-30 (NIV) For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. “Immediately after the distress of those days” ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
NASA’s eclipse website reflects that a tetrad occurred spanning the years 1493 and 1494.
Well there is no shortage of arrogant men who think they know more than Jesus Himself.
Calvary Chapel does teach and talk of this
Chuck Smith has a history calling it wrong, WRT the second coming.
My advice still stands. Get grounded in the basics or be prey for any passing false teacher.
Let me throw out a slightly different perspective, one I have studied in Footsteps of the Messiah, App IIIB, by Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum.
In Jewish tradition, well used in the time of the first advent, when our Lord Christ Jesus was here prior to the Cross, marriage was known as a 4-stage event.
It might be noted that the Church is referenced as the Bride of the Messiah, and Israel as the wife of Jehovah.
The Marriage begins with the Espousal (2Cor 11:2), where the Church as an engaged Bride, not yet joined by marriage to her husband.
The second stage is Sanctification or maturing of the Bride (Eph 5:25-27). Note the purpose of His death and His relationship with the Bride prior to the Second Coming is so that He might sanctify the Bride, so that a glorious virgin is presented to the Messiah, without blemish (no visible defilement), without wrinkle (no evidence of age or corruption) and holy, without blemish (no evidence of sin).
The 3rd stage is the Marriage (Rev 19:6-9).
In the Jewish system, in the 1st stage the Father of the groom made the arrangement for the Bride and paid the bride price (same relationship between persons of God the Father, the Son, and the Bride for the Son, the Chruch). The 2nd stage was frequently separated from the 1st stage by much time, at least a year, sometimes marriages were arranged at childbirth and not fulfilled for major portions of a lifetime.
The 2nd stage, also known in Jewish tradition as ‘the fetching of the bride’, the groom would go to the Bride’s home to fetch her and bring her to his home. It should be noted, though, that the Father of the Son determined the time of the fetching, not the groom. Since the fetching was to bring the bride to a new home, this implies the groom had already prepared a home for the bride prior to the fetching, which was determined to be allowed at a time by the father only.
The third stage stage was the marriage ceremony, where only a few were invited, preceded by ritual immersion for ritual cleansing.
The fourth stage was the wedding feast, which might last as long as 7 days.
In the case of the Bride of the Messiah, the 1st stage has been completed, wherein the bride price has been paid by the blood of Christ (Eph 5:25-27).
Today we are in the process of sanctification, which continues through, until the marriage ceremony of the Church.
In the 2nd stage, the fetching of the Bride is unmistakeably synonomous with what we call the Rapture of the Church, described in 1st Thes 4:13-18. The fetching time is not determined by anybody BUT the Father. This preserves the sanctity of the witness of the marriage. It isn’t performed arrogantly by the Son, nor by the Bride, but by a third party, with wisdom and love for both, namely the Father (Matt 24:36) and after our Lord Christ Jesus has prepared a place (John 14:1-3).
The 3rd stage or marriage ceremony takes place in Heaven, described in Rev 19:6-8, prior to the 2nd Coming at the end of the Great Tribulation. In this event, the Bride is wearing her complete bridal gown, indicating the process of sanctification has been completed at that time and after the Judgment Seat of the Messiah, when all saints are rewarded for their divinely judged good works on earth. (1Cor 3:10-15).
Then comes the Marriage feast (Rev 19:9). (Some note that the Old Testament saints shall be resurrected AFTER the Tribulation and Rapture, but before the 2nd Coming, to be present at the wedding feast.)
Considering the close parallel of the 4 stage wedding process in Jewish tradition, IMHO, the Rapture comes first, then a 7 year wedding feast which likely occurs in heaven, while those missing it on Earth, are enduring the consequences of the cosmic system they had placed before God, and will be reaping the whirlwind.
There are also strong arguments that the Rapture doesn’t necessarily occur at the immediate beginning of the Great Tribulation, although there also are strong indicators the two events closely coincide. The Great Tribulation might also lag the Rapture, rather than begin immediately, since the GT focus is more upon Israel and her return to God, removal of evil, and a consequence of her signing a covenant with the AntiChrist.
Dispensationalists and Reformed believers agree on some issues.
As I said no one knows the day or the hour of Jesus return HOWEVER he did say we could know the SEASON....
Perry Stone
Dr David Jeremiah
Jack Van Impe
Joel Rosenberg
John Hagee
Dr Charles Stanley
and many more speak of this..Do you think only your Preacher has wisdom to know GOD’s word in scripture?
The Great Tribulation might also lag the Rapture, rather than begin immediately, since the GT focus is more upon Israel and her return to God, removal of evil, and a consequence of her signing a covenant with the AntiChrist.
I very much agree with that statement...
So many scoffers that scoff at GOD’s prophetic words...
Just like in the Days of NOAH....
Take a look at post 46. I just recently learned of the parallel of Jewish tradition in the wedding and marriage process and relationship between the Messiah and the Bride, the Church and find it very insightful.
"This stuff is as bad as Harold Camping."Dispensationalists and Reformed believers agree on some issues.
That Harold Camping's numerology is equally as whacky as the stuff that heads this thread?
(I listened to the White/Camping debate this past week on Iron Sharpens Iron. Camping is not all there.)
No, this is completely different crap.
I am sorry, the tribulation week starts with a 7 year peace treaty being signed regarding Jerusalem, by the antichrist. NOw if this can be shown to have happened, and it would have to have been done in secret, then perhaps there may be something to this.
Ping for later
Perry Stone
Dr David Jeremiah
Jack Van Impe
Joel Rosenberg
John Hagee
Dr Charles Stanley
Hagee, as I have pointed out to you before, is a man to be very cautious listening to. In fact, you might want to read through John Hagee teaches another gospel.
Perry Stone -- watched a video of his once, listened to him give an interpretation of Ezekiel's valley of dry bones vision, that left my jaw dropped, it was so absurd.
The rest. Eh, never listened to them.
and many more speak of this..Do you think only your Preacher has wisdom to know GOD’s word in scripture?
Those you listed are operating from a wrong assumption, and reach wrong (and ungospelish) conclusions.
You're not serious.
The Temple Institute: Laying the Foundations of Research for the Third Temple
The Temple Institute was founded on the principle of action. Its goal is to provide a basis in research, planning and infrastructure for the Third Temple.
The basis of the Institute’s work is the commandment given to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai, “And they shall make for Me a Sanctuary, and I will dwell amongst them” (Ex. 25:8). The Institute’s efforts towards preparing for the Temple in our time can be compared to the preparations that were done in the days of the tabernacle and later, by King David.
Research Department
A team of rabbis, scholars, scientists and other experts in various fields are presently occupied with the study of various Temple-related subjects. The results of these studies are published periodically by the Temple Institute.
http://www.templeinstitute.org/about.htm
With the systemic persecution and abuse of Jews throughout history, I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find a few dozen incidents of major persecution against Jews on any day of the year.
I find your argument unconvincing.
However, the track record of other previous predictions of Christ return (read: ALL predictions) were wrong.
If not even our Savior knows when his return will return, why does man still try to "outknow" God?
Speculate is the wrong word....
Look for the Seasons yes he did....
Signs in the heavens, the Stars....
Don’t be a lazy, lackadaisical,lukewarm Christian...
Jesus Will Come “like a thief in the night” (A Surprise, Suddenly)
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 (NIV) for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
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