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Posted on 04/15/2010 10:01:03 AM PDT by NYer
German theologian Hans Kueng has urged bishops to disobey the pope and push for reforms in the Roman Catholic Church.
The 82-year-old former colleague and friend of Pope Benedict XVI says the church is in its deepest crisis since the Protestant Reformation after recent revelations of sexual abuse by clergy and the ensuing erosion of trust.
Mr Kueng, a veteran of the Second Vatican Council, said in an editorial in the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung that bishops should call for a new synod to discuss reforms.
He said it is legitimate for bishops to pressure Roman authorities if the pope blocks their efforts, adding that bishops should not be "actors without voice or rights".
The editorial also appeared in the New York Times and La Repubblica.
Panic is setting in as the VCII vets approach sunset. There will be NO Vatican Council III ... at least in their time.
Kung is still kicking?
What kind of “reform” is he talking about? Surrending to secular culture like Protestant denominations?
Unless I am missing something, the main stream media has simply resurrected, for propoganda purposes, a 40+ year old story with no directs links to Benedict XVI - this hardly equals the “division” of the Reformation.
Sounds to me as though he’s mad because a conservative was chosen as Pope. The libs never give up.
They should allow priests to marry. Also, don’t transfer predators from parish to parish ... kick them out of the priesthood and send them to jail.
The only reason “Catholic” is associated with this scandal is because it was targeted for destruction. They did a pretty good job, but the Holy Spirit operates on much longer time constants.
Yeah, as if they haven’t been doing that already for the past 50 years.
There are so many assumptions in your brief response that it's hard to cover them all.
The idea that allowing priests to marry would somehow "cure" homosexuals from predating on young teens not only ignores the fact that these dopes aren't interested in women, it ignores the fact that homosexual predation occurs with even great frequency among those as to whom no celibacy requirement exists (protestant ministers, school teachers, coaches, etc.) But the media ignores those stories, because they have an agenda to pursue.
As for 'kicking out of the priesthood' -- that won't work either. The guy in California requested laicization (i.e. permissive and not mandatory release from his clerical vows) and later got married . . . and kept on molesting children. Of course, by then the Church had no power over him because he'd been laicized . . .
Additionally, the Church has no authority to send anybody to jail. In the cases that are being trumpeted by the New York Times, the secular authorities declined to prosecute or gave a slap on the wrist (probation). But nobody is screaming that the secular authorities fell down on the job. Because that doesn't fit the media's story.
Finally, you may have noticed that these cases are 30 years old or more. The Church has undertaken strenuous efforts to weed these bad guys out and remove them from contact with the laity. In fact, Benedict XVI was instrumental in streamlining the process and taking direct jurisdiction to Rome for the first time in abuse cases. Yet the media attacks him as though he "didn't do enough". Sound familiar? (Pius XII comes to mind.)
But for many years the local bishop had authority over these cases. Rome was not involved. But the media don't want to bash the local bishop in at least one of these cases because he is a self-confessed homosexual who was caught paying $400 grand to his lover to buy his silence. But the media love that bishop because he is also a modernist, heterodox, and extremely liberal. And they certainly don't want to explore the fact that he appears to have been hiding abuse by other homosexuals . . . the media would much rather bash the Pope, who had nothing to do with the case and only found out about it some 25 years after the events in question, when the abusive priest was critically ill (and indeed died while his ecclesiastical trial was pending). But the media never even talked the the bishop who was the judge at the trial. (Imagine that!)
Consider that the Church is the last large, organized body that opposes abortion, homosexual rights including to 'marry' and adopt children, sexual promiscuity, etc. And consider that all those things are the darling causes of the media. And then consider whether the media might have a motive to lie, distort the facts, and rabble-rouse against the Church and the Pope . . . . ?
Please share with us your research that points to allowing priests to marry with lowering the incidence of abuse. Then please explain how there are married teachers abusing children in our public schools and how that relates to priests. Thanks in advance.
Wasn’t he excommunicated for heresy? If not, he should have been. See what LIBs have done to the Catholic Church; now it’s our country’s turn.
Another old liverspot. Isn’t this heretic dead yet??
Why hasn’t he left to found Kungianism? You’d think he was at least as creative as Luther.
Luther was smarter and had fewer points of disagreement with the Church than Kung.
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Just up the road from me is a huge residence for the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet. It is surrounded by sumptuous lawns, lots of property and plenty of quiet. They gave up the habit back in the late 60's and their numbers have shrunk commensurately over the decades.
In another part of town was an order of contemplative sisters. Their numbers were growing and they needed to expand. (Remember, one purpose contemplative sisters serve is to pray for the diocese!) They approached the bishop and asked for a larger property in a quiet setting where they could pray in peace.
Over the past 30+ years, the bishop has been closing parishes and schools. He is loaded with properties. His response was to apologize; he could not help them. Their response was to pack their bags and move to a different diocese. Good for them!