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John Paul II beatification will mark first time in 1,000 years a Pope will beatify predecessor
EWTN News ^ | 1/18/11

Posted on 01/18/2011 3:41:03 PM PST by markomalley

The beatification of John Paul II, which Pope Benedict XVI will preside over on May 1, will mark the first time in 1,000 years a Pontiff has beatified his immediate predecessor.

The director of the L’Osservatore Romano, Giovanni Maria Vian, said a Jan. 16 article, “One has to return to the heart of the Middle Ages to find a similar situation.” However, he continued, “even in that context it doesn’t compare with the decision of Benedict XVI: in the last 10 centuries no Pope has raised his immediate predecessor to the altars.”

“Pietro del Morrone (Celestine V) was canonized in 1313—less than 20 years after his death—by his third successor, and more than two centuries earlier the sanctity of Leo IX and Gregory VI, who died in 1054 and 1085 respectively, was recognized,” Vian explained.

After noting that the last Pope to be canonized was St. Pius X, Vian recalled that the essential question in every beatification and canonization cause is the exemplary life of the candidate.

As Paul VI said upon announcing the opening of the causes of his immediate predecessors, John XXIII and Pius XII, this ensures that “the patrimony of their spiritual heritage” is kept separate from “any reason other than their devotion to true sanctity, that is, to the glory of God and the edification of the Church.”

“And Karol Wojtyla was an authentic servant of God, a fervent witness of Christ for young people until his last breath. Many people, Catholic and non-Christian alike, realized this during his exemplary life,” the Vatican newspaper’s editor said.

For this reason and for many more, Vian concluded, Benedict XVI has decided to preside over the beatification of the pilgrim Pope “in order to present to the world the personal model of sanctity of John Paul II.”


TOPICS: Catholic
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Despite this coming from Gian Maria Vian, it sounds reasonable.
1 posted on 01/18/2011 3:41:06 PM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley
John Paul II beatification will mark first time in 1,000 years a Pope will beatify predecessor

See what happens when you start a trend? Everyone just copies and copies and copies.

Seriously, JP II was the right Pope in the right place at the right time. He stands along Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher in bringing down the Iron Curtain.

He also was a warm and approachable man who never lost the common touch nor his sense of humor. This is him mocking the Communist observers across the Berlin Wall:


2 posted on 01/18/2011 3:55:08 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Nothing sharpens the mind like not being able to get a job. /Nonstatist)
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To: markomalley

An amazing stat... And well deserved.


3 posted on 01/18/2011 3:55:33 PM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: markomalley

I was never aware of how much a ‘popularity contest’ it was to become a saint

I loved him as a pope... but I thought sainthood was something miraculous

And a nun getting cured of parkinsons after his visit just doesnt cut it for me


4 posted on 01/18/2011 4:56:11 PM PST by Mr. K (There are 10 types of people those who know BINARY and those who don't)
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To: Mr. K

All believers are already saints, we just don’t get anything ‘official’ about it.

And I can live without it, frankly.


5 posted on 01/18/2011 5:35:11 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You’d never get it if you wanted it. just saying. You have to be dead first and 2 rigorously investigated miracles attributed to your intercession with God.


6 posted on 01/18/2011 6:51:21 PM PST by Gapplega
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To: Gapplega

It’s just declaring someone a title based on man-made criteria. Bible already defines us as saints.

Currently we are both sinner and saint at the same time. The new adam fighting against the old adam every day. With Christ and the Holy Spirit living inside us.

Which is amazing BTW. Not even in the OT did the Holy Spirit live inside anyone. The Spirit of God would ‘rest upon’ or ‘remain over’ someone but never indwell that person. I think this is something most of us in the Church don’t really see as the big deal that it is. How remarkable it is we can have such access and an intimate relationship, something I am sure the OT saints wish they could have had. I know I have taken it for granted.


7 posted on 01/18/2011 8:16:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Gapplega; Secret Agent Man
You have to be dead first

So when Paul was addressing his epistles to the Saints in Rome and Ephesus, he was writing to dead people?

8 posted on 01/18/2011 11:09:12 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Only if you want the RCC’s official designation/title, yes. If you’re a believer as far as the biblical description of ‘saint’ is, you are a saint right now.


9 posted on 01/19/2011 8:50:01 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Mr. K
**but I thought sainthood was something miraculous
And a nun getting cured of parkinsons after his visit just doesnt cut it for me**

Sorry about that.

Remember -- Pope John Paul II is NOT being canonized -- he has already been pronounced 'Venerable' (Holy); this will be the second step in the canonization process -- a beatification ('Blessed').

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10 posted on 01/19/2011 10:34:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mr. K
It is not a popularity contest, but a long, drawn-out process.

Vatican to encourage greater caution in opening sainthood causes
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Contribution to a Canonization
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Canonization of Saints: Current Canonization Process, Biblical Description of Miracles

11 posted on 01/19/2011 10:35:45 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Secret Agent Man

** man-made criteria**

LOL! So you think the miracles are of man? LOL!


12 posted on 01/19/2011 10:37:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

You’re an idiot. And don’t go crying about me calling you that when your post was total mockery because you were too stupid to understand it.

I obviously meant that men decided the criteria that you only get to have the title “saint” if 1) you are dead, and 2) that you have to have performed an arbitrary number of “miracles”.


13 posted on 01/19/2011 11:43:08 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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