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2 posted on 10/05/2012 3:28:59 AM PDT by koinonia (Virgil Goode for President - I'm not getting paid to promote him :-))
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To: koinonia

I think it goes deeper than just “unlawful,” because contraception says that God made human beings wrong ... that when He looked at His completed creation, crowned by man and woman made in His image, and “behold, it was very good,” He was incorrect.

This is not just a technicality, “You say tomayto, I say tomahto,” but an issue that profoundly affects and reflects our understanding of God and His heart towards us.


4 posted on 10/05/2012 3:34:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Optimism is much shallower than hope.)
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To: koinonia
Well, that kind of argumentation [on why non-abortifacient contraceptives "are fine"] did not really impress Kimberly. She said, "Are you sure those are the best arguments they would offer?" And I guess he [Dr. Davis, presumably at Gordon-Cromwell Seminary] must have mocked or said, "Well, do you want to look into it yourself?" You don't say that kind of thing to Kimberly. She said, "Yes," and she took an interest in researching this on her own. So that night at dinner... she said, "I've discovered that up until 1930, every single Protestant denomination without exception opposed contraception on Biblical grounds." Then I said, "Oh come on, maybe it just took us a few centuries to work out the last vestiges of residual Romanism, I don't know." And she said, "Well, I'm going to look into it."

Oh, now it's contraception that caused the Hahns to convert? How often do they change their story?

As for Kimberly, "At this point [more than halfway through seminary] I was not steeped in Reformation theology, so the change in how I viewed justification did not seem momentous". Please consider the import of that statement. Here are two graduates of a Presbyterian College, two students nearing completion of their studies at reputedly one of the best evangelical Protestant seminaries in the country, two professing Christians – and the meaning of justification is not all that important to them. As we shall soon see, despite – or rather because of – their education, the Hahns – especially Scott – could not defend the Reformation principles of the Bible alone, faith alone, and Christ alone.
-- from the thread The Lost Soul of Scott Hahn

26 posted on 10/05/2012 7:33:11 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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