"Where Were You, God?"

HiTech RedNeck | 5/19/2013 | HiTech RedNeck

[PieterCasparzen]

That's an awful lot of words that still does not illustrate your claim: ... this she did, thus she repented and was saved.

Where does it say she continued committing adultery after Jesus told her to go and sin no more ?

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[A_perfect_lady]

Thank you, will do.

[daniel1212]

I did not see that. Sorry.

[daniel1212]

This thread is posted in the Religion Forum. And Free Republic is pro-God, in particular the Judeo/Christian understanding of God.

Thank God for that degree of consensus.

[roamer_1]

Please do not post to me again. Thank you.

I did not post to you - Sal did. On FR it is customary and proper etiquette to include anyone pinged to a post in the reply to that post. It is unworkable to exclude folks from that process without some white/black list customized to individual users. So in a word, I cannot exclude you particularly in that circumstance. If you are pinged as a participant and don't like it, then you need not reply.

[Salvation]

Did you see this at the bottom of my post?

**These exact words may not all be in Scripture but references to them are — such as Christ speaking to the Good Thief, and the souls of the just arising from their tombs and wandering around Jerusalem, visible only to the believers.**

And as I said before “Many are called; few are chosen.”

[Salvation]

One — universal 00 the same as catholic with a small c

1Cor 1:10 - I urge that there be no divisions among you

Phil 2:2 - be of same mind,united in heart thinking one

thing

Rom 15:5 - God grant you to think in harmony with one

another

Jn 17:17-23 - I pray that they may be one, as we are one

Jn 17:23 - that they may be brought to perfection as one

1Cor 12:13 - in one spirit we are baptized into one body

Rom 12:5 - we, though many, are one body in Christ

Eph 4:4 - one body, one Spirit, called to be one hope

Col 3:15 - the peace into which you were called in one body

[pax_et_bonum]

I’m referring to your post #374. Thank you for including me, as a formality, in that post.

However, I don’t like arguing so I don’t want to be pinged by you again.

I’m not angry with you.

pax

[Salvation]

Much of these quotations refer directly to the Catholic (capital C) Church) You do not always see these quotes used in reference to non-Catholic churches.

Mt 28:18-20 - Jesus delegates all power to Apostles

Jn 20:23 - power to forgive sin

1Cor 11:23-24 - power to offer

sacrifice (Eucharist)

Lk 10:16 - power to speak with Christ’s voice

1Rom 5 - bringing obedience

Mt 18:18 - power to legislate

Mt 18:17 - power to discipline

Jn 16:13 - guided by Holy Spirit into all truth

Jn 14:26 - Holy Spirit to teach & remind them of everything

Lk 10:16 - speak with Christ’s own voice

1Tim 3:15 - Church called “pillar and foundation of truth”

1Jn 2:27 - anointing of Holy Spirit remains in you

Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with voice of Holy Spirit

Mt 28:20 - I am with you Perpetual Church

Is 9:6-7 - of Christ’s government there will be no end

Dan 2:44 - God’s kingdom shall stand forever

Dan 7:14 - His kingdom shall not be destroyed

Eph 3:21 – to him be glory in the church to all generations for ever and ever.

Lk 1:32, 33 - no end to Christ’s kingdom

Mt 7:24 - Jesus is like a wise man who built his house on a
rock

Mt 13:24-30 - let wheat & weeds grow together until harvest

Mt 16:18 - gates of hell will never prevail against hrist’s church

Jn 14:16 - Holy Spirit will be with you always

Mt 28:19-20 - I am with you all days

2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord’s

Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God’s messenger

Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets

Eph 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, others as prophets…

1 Cor 12:28-29 – God designated in church: apostles,

Acts 1:20 - let another take his office

Acts 1:25-26 - Matthias takes Judas’ apostolic ministry

1 Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - qualifications for: bishops, priests, & deacons

1Tim 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands

1Tim 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone

Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church

2Tim 2:2 - what you heard from me entrust to faithful
teachers

Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I directed

[Elsie]

The Mod and I have head-butted before.

So have I.

And; I'd say that at LEAST 99.9% of the time, he (she?) was right.

[Elsie]

Show me verse and chapter in scripture where it says holy Catholic church?

You've capitalized catholic.

That's an entirely different word.

[Elsie]

Sorry, but I never was a fan of crib notes. nor am I a fan of creeds whose purpose turns out to be exclusionary...

I don't know the PURPOSE of this one one; but, here it is in it's entirety:

Here is MORMONism's own creed:

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

[Elsie]

That is every bit as disingenuous as the Mormons.

You need to explain what you find WRONG with it.

It seems to me that you think something should be ADDED to it.

[Elsie]

Please do not post to me again.

SOMEone seems to have thin skin.

[Elsie]

Where does it say she continued committing adultery after Jesus told her to go and sin no more ?

Why do you try to shift the focus away from YOUR statement of:

... this she did, thus she repented and was saved.

[Elsie]

If you are pinged as a participant and don't like it, then you need not reply.

But then how would one know the full extent of the umbrage taken?

[daniel1212]

But its perfectly ok to have as many wives as you want,

Actually Jesus and the NT teach one man for one women, while multiple wives, while allowed in past periods but not uniquely, was shown to be problematic, but it provides for increased posterity and growth of the nation (versus aborting generations an importing replacements) and "social security."

Its perfectly ok to have sex with youre female slaves

And where, except in atheistic misconstruance, does the Bible teach sexual relations with anyone but your wife/wives is sanctioned?

Women sold by her fathers to be a wife, or concubine (a secondary type of wife) were required to be allowed to be redeemed to freedom if the man broke the betrothal, or if neglect of equal care for her with the first wife in food, or in clothing or in sexual relations was the case. (Exodus 21:7-11)

,Its perfectly ok to have hundreds of concubines to satisfy youre every sexual desire,,Right METMOM?

You are making the fundamental error of supposing that recording something means approval, or the ideal. It was kings who who took hundreds of concubines as part of their power, while as with liberal divorce, this is shown to be an allowance is condescension to man at that stage, while moving them to the higher standard seen in the NT.

God blesses that.In fact its also ok to bash the heads of innocent babies with bricks and stones isnt it? To cut open the bellies of pregnant women and destroy thier unborn children isnt it?

You do have poetic language in Ps. 137, but God sometimes wholly clean house as He does have the prerogative to judge evil people, executing the guilty and even stopping terminal degeneration, while delivering the innocent from following in their steps and taking them to a better place.

Note however, that while sometimes using men as instruments of such judgment, unlike in Islam this was after God provided abundant and unmistakable supernatural attestation that He was leading them, and warfare was limited in scope.

And under the promised new covenant, the Lord's kingdom is not of this world, (Jn. 18:36) and thus the church is not to wage war after the flesh, such as in the Inquisitions, but by spiritual means. (2Cor. 6:4-10; 10:3-6; Eph. 6:12)

A problem is with atheists who basically presume omniscience and superior morality, while their objectively baseless (no superior transcendent moral standard) moral reasoning can easily justify the same or worse atrocities as false religion.

However, atheist complain that God does not judge the wicked and lets the innocent suffer, then complain when He does execute the wicked and takes the innocent to be with Him. Implacable.

To send bears to kill children if they make fun of youre prophets bald head isnt it?

The slaying of these had supernatural involvement, and in condemning it the atheist can only presume greater knowledge and purpose than God. These were not so small as they evidently came out of the city by themselves, and were scornful and disrespectful of elders (and a prophet that had just manifested that he was a true one), which reverence then was sacrosanct and their actions were indicative of bad upbringing likely leading leading to worse things.

The question is does God know more than man, and does the author of life have a right to take life, and in so doing can He be exercising justice and work what is best for those who love what is right? The fact is that God could have justly destroyed most all those in the world last night, and save Himself a lot of grief, and begin anew as under Noah.

Or is it to be presumed that finite man knows that these were innocent kids just having fun, and later would be fine moral citizens. Yet this was only an isolated incident, and the attempted extermination of the wicked Canaanites and Amorites was limited to them, while Palestinian Muslim kids are set on an evil course at a young age, and atheists complain about God letting such exist.

All those slaves women,and concubinesa?

Again, despite the skeptics fascination with the idea of sex slaves and unmarried partners, these were wives, and rather than allow rape of those taken in battle, they were to be taken home to mourn a full month.

And yes, it is likely they willingly had sex. To not have children was almost worse than death for a women then, and would consider abstinence to be cruel. They were also now part of the nation on the winning side with far better prospects for the future. And the idea of such being sex slaves is that of the atheists mind.

Hard to say no when saying no means youre death huh?But that isnt really Rape Rape is it?

And where in the Bible does it say you can kill a wife for her refusal to engage in any sexual relations, which itself is unlikely? Nor does it say they could kill women who refused to become their wife.

Self righteous protestations are not new, but the atheists mandate to impugn the Bible and escape its moral judgment of them results in them being exposed as wresting Scripture (2Pt. 3:18) to their own hurt.

[PieterCasparzen]

You asked me a question and I simply want you to answer a question first.

You asked me where it says she “repented and was saved”.

I asked you where it says that she continued committing adultery.

You know the answer to my question AND yours is “IT DOES NOT SAY”.

You refuse to admit that it does not say in the text.

If you won’t admit that, the discussion of theology can’t move forward.

I’ll thank you to think on this, and find someone else to discuss the Bible with.

Please do not ever post anything to me again.

[Craftmore]

Elsie,Small c catholic,big C Catholic.Niether word exists in scripture.Catholic/Roman Catholic are inventions of man not Gods Holy Word.God may have used them to keep His word in print “tho even that can be argued against” But they have no more claim to Christs Kingdom than the newest Believer that finds Jesus by the hearing or reading of His Word.