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Does the Bible really teach that premarital sex is wrong?
Answering Protestants ^ | 4 June 2014 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 06/04/2014 10:18:03 AM PDT by matthewrobertolson

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To: matthewrobertolson

That dumb ole God couldn’t figure out how to make it clear in his scriptures...

My only question is: Are there Catholics actually dumb enough to believe this tripe???


61 posted on 06/04/2014 12:08:22 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: hecticskeptic
The issue is actually far more complicated than this...

No it's not; you yourself have explained fornication very simply:

...people who have had sex with...other people...who are married to a lot of other people and in the process, have perverted marriage....

Of course using your logic, one could make they argument that if a man and women engage in sex before they are "married" and have not had sex with anyone else ether before or after, then they are without sin.

But then one could also make the argument that if one engages in sex before the "marriage ceremony" and believes it to be a sin, then it is in fact a sin...

62 posted on 06/04/2014 12:08:53 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno
Of course using your logic, one could make they argument that if a man and women engage in sex before they are "married" and have not had sex with anyone else ether before or after, then they are without sin.

Yes, that is in fact the case. By having sex, they became married. Whether their 'marriage' is recognized by the state has nothing to do with whether or not God recognizes their marriage.

63 posted on 06/04/2014 12:13:41 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: hecticskeptic
I think the question though is state of mind: is sex before marriage a sin? If one or both of the couple have been taught that they should wait for "marriage", and they don't, then they have sinned.

If we are talking about a couple from a more tribal culture where it is acceptable for the betrothed to engage in sex, then I think they do not sin.

As I stated before, it is state of mind this is crux of the issue. Christ upped the ante with the New Covenant. The new covenant focuses on intent (faith), less so on the activities (works).

64 posted on 06/04/2014 12:24:25 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: hecticskeptic; vladimir998
Some will raise the story of Onan but even a casual reading of it makes it clear that it has nothing to do with masturbation.

It has only to do with failing to perform Levirate marriage.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
65 posted on 06/04/2014 12:24:26 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Mr. K
look up the sin of Onan

The sin of Onan has only to do with
failing to perform Levirate marriage.

If you were to read the entire chapter you
would understand why Tamar dressed as
a prostitute and seduced Judah.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
66 posted on 06/04/2014 12:32:11 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: hecticskeptic; vladimir998; Mr. K
Judah, Tamar, Onan

OBTW this is in the bloodline of Yah'shua.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
67 posted on 06/04/2014 12:43:17 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: matthewrobertolson

It seems to be clear to most every one that fornication is wrong but in some cases can be righted by marriage, how else could it be righted?

What the Greek word has to do with it is the only thing I do not understand.

About the only time some one comes up with the Greek, Latin or Hebrew words is when they are trying to prove that the bible is not saying what it is saying.

Christians have one thing in common, they will all argue that the scripture is inspired by God and even go as far to say the scripture was wrote by God, but then some will go to any length to prove they say more than they do or less, depending on their ideal.

So I have no doubt Satan is loving this anti solo scripture thing.

And that is the argument I have in favor of solo scripture.


68 posted on 06/04/2014 12:51:11 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: vladimir998
Protestantism does not endorse masturbation either.
69 posted on 06/04/2014 12:55:26 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Iscool; matthewrobertolson
That dumb ole God couldn’t figure out how to make it clear in his scriptures...

Given that the Catholics claim to have written the Bible themselves, they should be accepting the blame for not making it clear :)

70 posted on 06/04/2014 12:56:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: sigzero

God defines it as one man and one woman


I believe in solo scripture, where does it specify one man and one woman?


71 posted on 06/04/2014 12:57:50 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: jonno
I think the question though is state of mind.

How would you support this position from scripture? Lots of people sin all the time who think nothing of what they are doing. Does this mean that they aren't actually sinning?

72 posted on 06/04/2014 12:59:04 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: DManA

“What an insulting, offensive, stupid piece of garbage you have posted.”

Wow, that’s really an over-the-top extreme response.

How about giving other people space for their own beliefs?

IOW, chill out, dude. It’s allowed for other people to have other beliefs, with or without your permission. They are even allowed to state their beliefs, just as you are allowed not to listen.


73 posted on 06/04/2014 12:59:53 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Mr. K

“look up the sin of Onan”

As I recall, his sin was to fail to impregnate his brother’s widow, as it was his duty to do.


74 posted on 06/04/2014 1:01:25 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: DManA

and this can make things unclear to a Protestant.
What an insulting, offensive, stupid piece of garbage you have posted.


I think it is kind of fun, but while he is down playing solo scripture he is also encouraging people to read scripture to prove him wrong, and by reading scripture it is not hard to do.

Maybe it is his way to get people to read the Bible and to quit adding and taking away from it, God works in mysterious ways.


75 posted on 06/04/2014 1:15:51 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Secret Agent Man

and this can make things unclear to a Protestant.
What an insulting, offensive, stupid piece of garbage you have posted.


Well yes, but we can see that it is a lively, ( Not fight ) but discussion.


76 posted on 06/04/2014 1:25:02 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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Regarding masturbation, I thought the New Testament mentions “sexual immorality” a number of times. How does a Protestant determine exactly what this includes?


77 posted on 06/04/2014 1:47:01 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Alex Murphy
Given that the Catholics claim to have written the Bible themselves, they should be accepting the blame for not making it clear :)

Well there ya go...

78 posted on 06/04/2014 2:28:00 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: hecticskeptic

Please. We were discussing what constitutes (premarital) sexual sin in the context of cultural differences.


79 posted on 06/04/2014 2:38:44 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

“Perhaps I missed it. In your opinion, for what truth is the author of this article searching?”

It’s in the first sentence at the top of the article on this page.


80 posted on 06/04/2014 3:29:43 PM PDT by vladimir998
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