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To: Linda Frances; Kirkwood
Mormons are not Christians. Catholics and Protestants believe in the Trinity. Mormons do not.

I think it safer to say Mormons are not mainstream Christians. Belief in the Trinity is not a condition for salvation and scriptural support for the Trinity is not as strong as many assume it to be.

18 posted on 07/02/2014 5:41:37 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

What Protestant church doesn’t believe in the Trinity? I think to be of the same faith you must believe in the same God.


22 posted on 07/02/2014 5:58:15 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: fso301; Elsie; Tennessee Nana; Colofornian; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; ...
I think it safer to say Mormons are not mainstream Christians. Belief in the Trinity is not a condition for salvation and scriptural support for the Trinity is not as strong as many assume it to be.

The heretical nature of the Mormonic god and other doctrines is quite clear. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JosephSmithVersusJESUS.CHRIST.html

And some fellow FReepers can help you will more.

46 posted on 07/03/2014 9:41:13 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: fso301; daniel1212; Elsie; All
I think it safer to say Mormons are not mainstream Christians. Belief in the Trinity is not a condition for salvation and scriptural support for the Trinity is not as strong as many assume it to be.

Mormons are polytheists who also believe that they themselves will become gods after death, provided they are holy enough, which is clearly condemned throughout the entirety of the scripture, such as when God declares "Is there a God beside me? Nay, there is no God; I know not any" (Isa 44:8). There is no "gray" area between the historical belief in one God by Jews and Christians for more than two thousand years and the Mormon belief in many gods. Furthermore, to hold to a false Gospel is damning. The Apostle teaches that whoever preaches a different Gospel than what he has delivered to us, "let him be accursed" (Gal 1:8). Similarly, the Apostles also condemn those who wish 'God speed' to those who teach false gospels, so that even those who apologize for the enemies of Christ, though they themselves may claim to not be of them, also share in the guilt (2 John 1:10-11).

The Trinity is also not obscure, but a clear and present reality in the scripture. Nor do Christians tolerate those who refuse to affirm the Trinity and who give succor to those who deny it, although they themselves pretend to be "moderate" Christians. There is no option for being neither hot nor cold when it comes to the essentials of the Christian faith, but instead an active confession is required (Rom 10:9, Rev 3:15-16). If you hold yourself in a position where you neither affirm or deny such an important question as whether the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are a trinity, then you are damned, as you have no love for truth and, therefore, lack evidence of the drawing of the Holy Spirit, who works infallibly to bring all that the Father has given to the Son into the Son's arms (John 6:37).

51 posted on 07/03/2014 11:49:36 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: fso301
I think it safer to say Mormons are not mainstream Christians. Belief in the Trinity is not a condition for salvation and scriptural support for the Trinity is not as strong as many assume it to be.

It's good to avoid assumptions as much as possible; when we have ACTUAL evidence from MORMONism that can speak for itself; OK?




 

Trinity:

 

found in the Book of MORMON        -----------   rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants 

Book of Mormon:

Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)

...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)

...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)

...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)

...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)


"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)


"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)

Doctrine and Covenants:

According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32)

And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20)

Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)

 

 

59 posted on 07/04/2014 4:33:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fso301

“I think it safer to say Mormons are not mainstream Christians. Belief in the Trinity is not a condition for salvation and scriptural support for the Trinity is not as strong as many assume it to be.”

1. Mormonism perverts the Gospel and the nature of God - making Him into a creature instead of eternal. It teaches the existence of an unlimited number of gods, with more being created every day and on a multitude of planets.

2. Your post indicates a lack of understanding of the Scriptures in regard to the nature of God.

3. Every cult in addition to the Mormon cult perverts the same issues.


81 posted on 07/04/2014 6:25:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: fso301
That is correct.

My Witness for Christ

God's speed and blessings to you and yours.

82 posted on 07/04/2014 6:34:12 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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