Posted on 10/28/2014 11:03:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
More than a thousand evangelical pastors and others—gathered for a three-day conference to steel the resolve of Christians who preach that gay relationships are sinful—were asked a simple question: How many live in a state that recognizes same-sex marriage?
Hands rose all across the convention hall.
“This moral revolution is happening at warp speed,” said the Rev. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. “This is a real challenge to us on biblical authority.”
Speakers at the event said they understood they were on the losing end of the culture war on marriage. But they were prepared to be the voice of a moral minority because gay marriage is a “rejection of God’s law,” according to Mohler. He said evangelicals needed to have “a lot of agonizing conversations” about how to move forward. …
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I didn’t like that “agonizing conversations” part, either. It isn’t agonizing to tell the truth. To tell them that God loves them and that Jesus is the way to freedom from their bondage.
Southern Baptists tell pastors: hold THE MASON DIXON LINE
Fighting arianism in the early church, Athanasius was told that the world was against him.
His reply was, “Then Athanasius is against the world”
What the evangelicals don’t get even if they accepted the abomination of homosexual marriage —that would not be the end of the moral drift. It would continue to drift ever further into sexual depravity. Already the liberal unitarians and liberal PCUSA presbyterians basically believe that sexually anything goes. Really anything.
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BUT. If evangelicals do nothing except mind their own business while rejecting homosexual marriage, then in 2-3 generations they will come under persecution.
The culture has to be engaged and this is the last chance cultural engagement can occur with any chance of success. In another 20 years resistance will produce only martyrs.
I think the agonizing part is that they are having to deal with how to protect themselves legally from the gaystopo.
I’ve spoken with a number of pastors willing to face the consequences of continuing to preach the gospel, and who just want advice on how to handle select “couples” who come in seeking trouble.
At least within the SBC I’ve not seen any signs of capitulation on the issue.
Personally I think the church will be underground by 2025 with things continuing at such a rapid pace.
It’s too bad the public isn’t really aware that the speed in which this has been jammed down our throats is directly related to the Obama appointments to the circuit courts, AND Reid eliminating the filibuster for votes on said nominees.
If those vacancies had remained unfilled (many of which were vacant all through the Bush administration) , I have no doubt the circuits would be very split on so called gay marriage.
I have to wonder why their meeting was not private. Why is it written about in the associated press?
Church leaders are media hounds, fame seekers, culture capitulators, money grubbers, week kneed, sissified therapists, emotion driven, yellow-bellied, scaredy-cat girly boys. Movies, golf, pleasure and fun are their interests. Some even love tattoos, alcohol and foul language just to be cool. They are like a pack of perpetual adolescents trying to stay hip but always falling short.
And THAT is a description of many of the good ones. There are a few exceptions, though even they are weak. Girls, all. The men have left.
They say truth matters but have long ago lost the ability to speak it. Though they deny it, their words display a belief that God’s truth is harsh and mean.
You cannot convince others of what you yourself no longer believe.
They hide behind the gospel in a phony way like it is mommy’s skirt and they can say nothing without it. The gospel is the most beautiful thing in the world, but right and wrong are still right and wrong if the gospel is completely rejected. To use it as an excuse to run from tough issues (which in reality are not tough at all) is to do it harm.
They twist theology in ways that serve themselves.
I wish I did not see it that way.
Persecution is NOW. You won’t have to wait 20 years. Houston already has a law, they are just having trouble enforcing it, but it will come soon.
have “a lot of agonizing conversations”? No, they don’t. Just state the facts and don’t argue about it.
The root cause of homosexual orientations in people can be found in Romans Ch 1. It is a sin act, but more than that the desire to live this life is a symptom in a person of a wrong relationship with God. They’ve replaced God with an idol of the self, and specifically a deeply sexual idolatry. God then allows their sexual identity to take up a wrong place in their life.
Jesus can and does free people (even if slowly for some and not right away) when they have been “born of the spirit”.
-JS
I know this guy who has been married to a woman for 29 years, they have a son together and this man is also having a relationship with a man. The wife knows and accepts this. This man attends church and I have had conversations with him about what the Bible says about his lifestyle and it does not seem to really phase him.
I assume the wife no long has intimate relations with him. ??
We had a visiting pastor last Sunday who teaches at a seminary. He talked about the moral decline and how we get too focused on the bad stuff and it causes us to lose our faith in God. My God is bigger than this problem.
Christianity is growing by leaps and bounds around the world. There are more Presbyterians in Ghana then in Scotland. More christians worshipping in underground home based churches in china then christians in all of western europe.
In Rome they were killing Christians and we still grew.
You cannot fix something you refuse to look at. Manipulating the way you think of the problem does not make it go away, it just makes you incapable of addressing it adequately.
Bttt
Huh so your God isn’t big enough to handle this?
Whittaker Chambers wrote that in turning against communism he was going over to the losing side (as it seemed in the 1950’s).
And yet in his book “Witness”, there was peace in his soul because his integrity was intact and his conscience was clean.
So let it be with all who uphold the truth of the Word of God!
Whittaker Chambers wrote that in turning against communism he was going over to the losing side (as it seemed in the 1950’s).
And yet in his book “Witness”, there was peace in his soul because his integrity was intact and his conscience was clean.
So let it be with all who uphold the truth of the Word of God!
That is a slogan. God has spoken. We obey or we do not.
It is unfortunate that a preacher would characterize the truth as agonizing. But, these things have to happen.
This is all part of the “falling away” that God said must happen before He returns.
We could spend hours documenting the falling away in the “church”.
I ponder sometimes about the timing of my arrival and the lateness of the age. People have been looking for the Messiah for centuries upon centuries, through plagues, mongol invasions, religious wars, WWI and WWII, The murders of millions by Godless Communism, and the state sanctioned and funded genocide of the unborn, and now the mainlining of homosexual acts and homosexual marriage.
I suppose the difference is that in 1948, in one day, Israel was born. Everything I read and understand points to that particular event as heralding the true last days.
So, when? I cannot say, and I do not like to rely on feelings. Still, I can say it seems to me that we are getting close.
Islam is the Beast. I watch Erdogan’s reformation, retrenchment actually, of Turkey to its Islamic roots. Turkey is where the re-establishment of the Caliphate is going to be.
And, I also believe that the Bible is centered in the Middle East and Central Asia, not here or in Europe, or India or China.
Well, The murder of both Jews and Christians are centered there as well. Tribulation? If you look at what is happening there, it is evident the Tribulation is ongoing and is a horrifying charnel house of slaughter.
Add it all up. It would seem we are truly that generation that will see Jesus Christ return.
The muslims won’t like it very much.
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