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To: boatbums

I’m not asking you to change words in scripture, I’m asking that you change the false words in your statement.

The age of grace began when Adam sinned, and will end on the day in which all that will be saved will receive that salvation: “The Last Trump.”

That is what Moses preached, what Yeshua preached, and what his apostles preached.

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193 posted on 11/20/2014 5:54:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
I'm not asking you to change words in scripture, I'm asking that you change the false words in your statement.

WHAT false words in my statement??? When I said:

One post you admit that we are saved by grace and the next you assert we aren’t saved unless we obey the “Torah” and “endure to the end” doing so

To which YOU said:

Change the ‘are’ and ‘aren’t’ to “Will be,” and “Will not be” and you will have a fully scriptural statement that is totally supported by all of the apostle authors, and all of the ancient scriptures.

That means you assert:

    We will be saved by grace and we will not be saved unless we obey the “Torah".

I can show you many verses that say we ARE saved by grace - present tense. Can you show me any that say only that we "will be" saved by grace and that it is only at some possible future event after we have "obeyed the Torah" completely? I can show you Scripture that says we are not saved by obeying the Torah. Can you show me anywhere that says we will not be saved unless we obey the Torah/the Law of Moses? The more you post, the more convinced I am that you haven't the foggiest idea what "grace" really is. Read Paul's epistle to the Romans. Maybe it might help you. Also see:

    But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood — to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished — he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

    Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. (Romans 3:21-28)

195 posted on 11/20/2014 10:17:12 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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