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"But Tim, there are real Christians in the Roman Catholic Church!"
Baylyblog ^ | March 17, 2013 | Tim Bayly

Posted on 07/07/2015 3:02:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: MHGinTN
Faith Alone is not in the Bible.

Scripture Alone is not in the Bible.

The Bible clearly states that the "contradiction of Korah", which is exactly what Protestantism spews with the same "let it be enough for you that we're all holy" that Korah and his followers were swallowed into Hell for, leads to destruction.

Those who prefer the ego strokes from their peanut gallery pals in whatever little sect or fantasy they're in and bask in their pride in the Self and Self Alone doctrine Protestantism is based on, are now and always have been the happy go luck majority in this country. A country now obviously dedicated to Paganism because that happy go luck majority has always gone along to get along.

"Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them."
- Matthew 7:20

Protestantism in the US is finally at the logical endpoint of what it teaches; State Dictated Paganism.

God doesn't send people to Hell, they send themselves and it always comes down to their heading that way because they follow Eve rather than Christ. The most basic tenant of all Protestantism is Self and Self Alone, not Christ alone as they pretend. Otherwise there wouldn't be tens of thousands of different versions of Jesus Christ among the Protestant crowd.

Enough of the pretense of knowing what you're talking about, too. You're clearly don't understand half of what you spew because you refuse to answer simple, straight forward, questions.

Now, regurgitate away and have a really nice day.

61 posted on 07/07/2015 6:06:03 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

You keep spittling this accusation ‘Self and Self Alone’. Have you a cogent definition, or is it just your pet slur?


62 posted on 07/07/2015 6:08:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: miss marmelstein
We have wafers and statues. That’s all that matters.

Is that all ???

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,


63 posted on 07/07/2015 6:09:29 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Marcella
Thank goodness, God doesn’t listen to either of you - He decides.

He has decided...before the foundation of the earth ..

John 6:37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

64 posted on 07/07/2015 6:13:11 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Campion
You seem a bit low on oil. Would you lke to read the following paragraph from one of your church's 'nihil obstat preferred writers, John O'Brien, in Faith of Millions? ...See if there is anything in that paragraph of instruction to catholics that would offend a Christian:
“When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from his throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of men. It is a power greater that that of monarchs and emperors; it is greater than that of saints and angels, grater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man – not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command.”
Rev John O'Brien, 'Faith of Millions' the catholic guide

Got wrath?

65 posted on 07/07/2015 6:13:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks brother...


66 posted on 07/07/2015 6:13:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: miss marmelstein

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


67 posted on 07/07/2015 6:17:50 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: vladimir998; Marcella
We do not assume that Protestants are going to hell just because they are Protestants.

LOL....LOL....Not only does Rome assume it... they cursed Protestants there

extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means: "outside the Church there is no salvation"

Fourth Lateran Council (1215): "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved."

Council of Florence, Cantate Domino (1441):
"The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels"

Pope Leo XIII (1878–1903), Encyclical Annum ingressi sumus: "This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church." idem, Encyclical Sapientiae christianae: "He scatters and gathers not who gathers not with the Church and with Jesus Christ, and all who fight not jointly with Him and with the Church are in very truth contending against God."

Encyclical Jucunda sane: "It is our duty to recall to everyone great and small, as the Holy Pontiff Gregory did in ages past, the absolute necessity which is ours, to have recourse to this Church to effect our eternal salvation."

Pope Pius XII (1939–1958),
Allocution to the Gregorian University (17 October 1953): "By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth."

68 posted on 07/07/2015 6:20:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

You’re welcome, Sis. I already fed the dogs. Waiting on the raccoons to show for the evening.


69 posted on 07/07/2015 6:20:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
So where in Scripture does it state that seven books of the Old Testament are not inspired in spite of the fact that neither Christ or the Apostles ever uttered a peep about the Septuagint containing any errors? Quite the contrary, in fact, they stated that Scripture was the Word of God and would not ever pass away.

However, someone must have decided to obey anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Jewish Pharisee Rabbis and throw out Scripture that had been accepted as the inspired Word of God for a bit over 1700 years, so is that something each individual decides for the Self and Self Alone or do such folks obey some authority higher than Christ, the Apostles, and their Self ?

Self and Self Alone - relying on ones Self as the ultimate and highest authority in all matters of faith and morals rather than taking up the cross of obedience and accepting what Christ and the Apostle taught about faith and morals.

I notice you ignore the FACT that neither Faith Alone or Scripture Alone are in the Bible as well as the FACT that Protestantism extols the virtues of the heresy of Korah. But then again, you just prove my point for me, you can't answer simple questions about what gets you your ego strokes and cheers from the peanut gallery.

Regurgitate away and have a really nice day.

70 posted on 07/07/2015 6:23:50 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: miss marmelstein; MamaB
Actually most are Orthodox
71 posted on 07/07/2015 6:25:24 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

But there are Christians in the Catholic Church. I’ve met them. Lots of them. They do believe in Jesus. They do trust in God’s grace and mercy.

They interpret “make sure your calling” differently than you.

2 Peter 1: 10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


72 posted on 07/07/2015 6:26:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: DesertRhino
But although I do not believe many Catholic doctrines, I fully accept that they are as likely to be saved or not, as are the members of any other Christian church.

Bingo. This Roman Catholic, who has qualms with some RC doctrines, says: Thank you. Why is this even an issue?
73 posted on 07/07/2015 6:26:11 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: xzins
Disagree my old friend.. if they are "good Catholics" they trust the church, the sacraments.law keeping and their works to be saved...not Christ

The cross was not sufficient

74 posted on 07/07/2015 6:28:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: miss marmelstein
Nah. I barely want to discuss YOU.

Well seems you dressed me first

75 posted on 07/07/2015 6:29:47 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Rashputin
First I have note made mention of the Old Testament or Torah, so your straw is a bit wet.

Second, you asserted, "I notice you ignore the FACT that neither Faith Alone or Scripture Alone are in the Bible"

Bless your poor little heart, it is not int he Bible because it is Scripture AND the Holy Spirit, and it is FAITH and The Holy Spirit. didn't you know? Try the Berean steaks. I hear they really fill you up.

If you come up with anything you need help with, let us know. BTW, have you rad the paragraph to teach us what would offend a Christian in that proclamation from a book by a Rev Catholic with the 'nihil obstat' upon it? It's a good way top check your oil in your lamp. Give it a try.

76 posted on 07/07/2015 6:31:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Rashputin
Maybe you missed the quote from John O'Brien's Faith Of Millions, along about page 270, in a book which has the RCC nihil obstat, which means the book does not deviate from RCC teaching on faith and morals. I'll post it for you again, for your convenience:

“When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from his throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of men. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors; it is greater than that of saints and angels, grater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man – not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command.” John O'Brien, FAITH OF MILLIONS

See anything in that quote that should offend a Christian born from above?

77 posted on 07/07/2015 6:43:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: RnMomof7

I know them, so I think you’re off track regarding their faith, but moreover there really is no contradiction between trusting the leaders appointed over them and believing in God’s grace.


78 posted on 07/07/2015 6:47:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: MHGinTN
And Faith Alone, Scripture Alone, throwing out portions of the Bible you don't like, or following your Self and Self Alone rather than Christ still aren't in the Bible Protestant folks claim to hold as their highest authority.

So, now you're a follower of O'Brien rather than Christ. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess that makes you an O'Brian Alone rather than a Self Alone which is what, about like a Russel Alone or a Joseph Smith Alone?

79 posted on 07/07/2015 6:50:28 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: xzins
Oops, you're agreeing with Scripture, be careful.
80 posted on 07/07/2015 6:53:37 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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