Posted on 07/07/2015 3:02:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh. But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. - Galatians 6:13, 14
Ideas have consequences. So does doctrine. That there are true Christians who trust the blood of Jesus Christ alone to make their garments white who worship in the Roman Catholic church is no less extraordinary for being true. They are the exception that proves the rule. They go against the grain of their entire doctrinal system and many Anglicans and Protestants across the centuries put their life at risk to recover Biblical doctrine, calling to those in the Roman bondage to repent and believe. Those who imply that Luther and Calvin and Knox were fools for doing so are ignorant of what Scripture and Rome teach, or they are opposed to the very idea that ideas have consequences and that it is the job of the Church to make disciples of all men, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and teaching them to obey everything He commands.
But really, we do run into the most basic failures of logic in our blind world. Systems of doctrine which are heretical (of which Rome is our primary example, here) are generally held by those who align themselves with the churches who claim that system of doctrine. What a world we live in that we must say such an inane thing!
Which is to say, priests sacrifice Christ over and over again...
This is the primary duty of their ordination. They are priests, after all—not pastors—and they preside over the sacrifice of the Mass. This is contrary to the "once and done" teaching of Hebrews (e.g. Hebrews 7:27; 9:12, 28; 10:10).
Does it matter?
Luther and Calvin and Knox thought it does. And you? Or are generalizations so distasteful to you that you will never allow that any system of doctrine can be denounced as heretical, nor that any person who is a member of the communion holding to that system of doctrine can be expected to hold to that heresy and be in spiritual jeopardy because of their membership in that heretical communion?
Ideas have consequences. Doctrine has consequences. Rome has anathematized my faith and doctrine for over half a millenium, now, and they're right to do so if their dogma is what Scripture declares. So I reciprocate and anathematize their system of doctrine (as they have mine) because I know their system of doctrine is a fulsome denial of Romans and Galatians, for starters. But I don't stop there: I go on to the work of warning Roman Catholics to leave the dead to bury their dead, to turn away from the dead and enter Christ's true church where the doctrine of salvation has not been (and is not) corrupted by the systematic monetization of justification-not-by-faith-alone which is the heart of their error and which, tragically, their purported "ecumenical council" of Trent deposited permanently at the center of their church.
Do we really care for souls? Do we really love anyone? Do we really see deceptions and grieve over them, or are we simply committed to the laissez-faire spirituality Rodney King summarized best when he spoke for a decadent age, asking "Can't we all get along?"
The Apostle Paul writes the book of Galatians defending the doctrine of justification by faith alone and we respond, how? "Oh, Paul, there you go again getting on your high horse! Don't you know how many sincere and well-meaning Judaizers there are? And how can you know men's hearts? How harsh you are, Paul, telling them that, while they're at it, you wish they'd just go ahead and cut it all off. Grow up, Paul; are you a misanthrope? Take a chill pill, dude! I mean, really!"
Now you might resent my putting it this way, but in every discussion with weak and sentimental moderns we find that the exception to the rule is all that matters—never the rule.
Roman Catholicism is a heresy and its main heretical dogma is most clearly seen in the Tridentine documents which, according to church law, can never—may never—be repealed. Which is to say the magisterium is stuck down a mine shaft they can never escape without denying one more false doctrine which is the authority of church tradition.
And their false doctrine really does lead most of the souls under the care of those defending and teaching and preaching and practicing that false doctrine to Hell.
If all we ever feel compelled to say is that there are some people who are real Christians in the Roman Catholic Church and some parish priests who don't sodomize little boys, what have we said that anyone needs to hear?
Nothing—nothing at all. Everyone knows it and no one will argue with it.
Which really is why saying it is so very popular.
But what does a true Christian shepherd say to Rome and her subjects?
A true Christian shepherd says to Rome and her shepherds what the Apostle Paul says in Galatians: if you continue to trust your sacraments and good works to save you, there is no hope for you of eternal life.
We need to keep in mind the statement that we moderns are given over to the morbid habit of sacrificing the normal on the altar of the abnormal. Rome is blind masters leading their blind subjects further into their blindness. That is the norm with Rome and unkindness is not saying it, but failing to say it.
The abnormal is Roman priests and parishioners who reject Rome's heresies and truly believe in the work of Christ alone for their salvation; souls who trust in Jesus Christ and, therefore, love God and their neighbor. Faith working through love. But such souls are the exception to the rule and we must not focus on these abnormalities so we may not have to blow the trumpet warning of the normalities of the false doctrine Rome is steeped in to her neck.
Ok,,, you just got yourself 3 to 5 in purgatory for that little remark. I hope you’re happy./
Well, when Rome can sort out CCC 841 and undo its heresy, I'll have more ease in believing what you want me to believe as a Protestant... as of now, 841 says Roman Catholics worship the same "God" as Muslims. If so, then things DO look pretty bleak for RCs.
Hoss
I need them, ok? And I don’t think any of us are prepared for persecution in the United States of America. We’ve had it too long and too good for too long, unfortunately, and we are now paying the piper. I can only hope that my mother - a Depression baby and a WWII widow - will make it out before the sh**t hits.
Only the poster and friends are saved. Salvation is based upon interpretation of the saved. The poster is Christian, Moslem, and “grafted in” with supreme knowledge of all, per interpretation. A few words of Hebrew do the trick... Total fluency as is the case with we unwashed would be too un-Christian. You will burn as I will. Have a nice day, see you on the dark side!
I’m sorry... You want me to look up someone else’s illustrated comic-book argument about spirituality? Is that how you save souls, with a link? You post a link? You are a Freeper, surely? And... What can I do for you?
And very few real Christians outside of the Catholic and Orthodox Church, too.
Note how 'they' were purified and what is not included, like RCC baptism, RCC sacramental re-up stops along the salvation trail, purgatory, worship of a mother goddess to help her son with his priestly duties, confessionals, paid indulgences, priests who class themselves superior to Christ such that they can force Him to bow to their commands ... you, stuff like drapes 'another religion', caatholicism, like Paul cited in Gal 1 teaching 'another gospel
“When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from his throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of men. It is a power greater that that of monarchs and emperors; it is greater than that of saints and angels, grater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man – not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command.”
Rev John O'Brien, 'Faith of Millions' the catholic guide
And who are you to assume we don’t have this oil?
Amen sir...I have NEVER Hear any Catholic say someone else is going to hell. I HAVE on the other heard a lot of so called non judgmental Christians pronounce that all Catholics are going to hell
Attacking the messenger does not make the message wrong.... want to discuss the message ??
I’m a Catholic who recently came back into the fold. I’m of the opinion that your statement has some truth to it. The church moved away from rating movies, working orphanages etc.
You may assume all you want, I don’t assume because I have a human perspective and God did not give me the spirit gift to discern the spirit of others. That gift does exist, but I don’t have it so I just confine my posts to contending for the Gospel as Paul and the other Apostles taught it. BTW, there are only fourteen Apostles even listed, the last two of which were Matthias and Paul. There are none in the RCC hierarchy.
And for that I pity you. I truly, truly pity you. You need Christ, and him alone. We're saved by Christ -- not by works... and we need only him.
I need Christ alone. No one, nor anything else. And for salvation, that's what ALL of us need.... Christ. Alone.
But I agree with you about the persecution that is coming. It's scary.
Hoss
We can check your oil if you want. Just read the quote in post #50 and tell us if you see anything that would be offensive to a Christian born from above.
What makes you think I don’t have Christ? Luckily, I am also surrounded by the saints and Mary and Joseph. Don’t pity me as I do not pity you.
Nah. I barely want to discuss YOU.
>>>>>>> priests sacrifice Christ over and over again.
Oh, look, the “liars for Jesus” are out again.<<<<<<<<<<
THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS & THE SACRIFICE OF CALVARY
* Christ is the Sacrificial Gift. - * Christ is the Sacrificial Gift.
* Priest represents Christ on the cross. - * Christ is the Priest and Victim Altar. on the Cross.
* Glorifies GOD Our Father. - * Glorifies God the Father.
* “Do this in memory of Me” - * Jesus offers Himself to His (that His Body would be given), Father - clearly a Sacrifice.
* Priest is Christ during the consecration - *Christ is Priest in offering Consecration at the Altar - and Himself, and is also Victim who is also Victim in the on the Cross. Eucharist.
The Sacrifice of the Mass is identical with the Sacrifice of the Cross, for there is the same Priest, the same Victim, the same Offering.
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/Sacrific.htm
. The Council of Trent infallibly decreed at Session 22: “If anyone says that in the Mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God or that that which is to be offered is nothing else but what Christ has given us to eat let him be accursed” – Canon 1.
“If anyone says that the sacrifice of the Mass is merely a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving or that it is a bare remembrance of the sacrifice completed on the cross but is not a propitiatory sacrifice or that it profits only him who receives and that it ought not to be offered on behalf of the living and the dead for sins, sufferings and satisfactions and other necessities let him be accursed” – Canon 3.
At Mass we are able to stand mystically at the foot of the cross and witness for ourselves the same self-sacrifice of Jesus, in an unbloody manner.
http://www.aboutcatholics.com/beliefs/the-purpose-of-mass/
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