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Where Are You from? A Reflection on Recent Tensions over Immigration, Race, and Ethnicity
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-14-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 01/15/2018 7:38:02 AM PST by Salvation

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1 posted on 01/15/2018 7:38:02 AM PST by Salvation
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Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 01/15/2018 7:39:15 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The difference between now and then?

Back then, there were no handouts, you knew life would be hard, but you had the opportunities if you were willing to work hard.

Today, we have handouts up the wazzoo, and people come here with the expectation of an easy life and no desire to blend in.

Get rid of welfare and the handouts first, then we’ll talk about letting more people in.


3 posted on 01/15/2018 7:40:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Salvation

Volga-German-Russian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxwIKqqEd2k

“She said nothing”.


4 posted on 01/15/2018 7:45:01 AM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: Salvation
While I cannot countenance those who enter the country illegally, I am perhaps more willing than many to view their illegal entry as stemming from desperation rather than flippant disregard for our laws.

The Msgr is naïve on this issue.

They did come here in flippant disregard for this country's laws.

5 posted on 01/15/2018 8:12:32 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Salvation

Verry dissapointing. Usually he isn’t so dishonest on the most fundamental level.

He is definitely aligning himself with Francis.

Two peas in a pod.


6 posted on 01/15/2018 8:20:59 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Salvation
Catechism of the Catholic Church, #2241:

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

Illegal aliens, by definition, violate their duties to the country which they have invaded. Their immediate deportation is both necessary and just. Respect for the citizens of and the legal immigrants to that country demands the deportation of illegal aliens.

7 posted on 01/15/2018 8:27:54 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Salvation

Yeh and when we came we were not jumping on food stamps and EBT cards for lifetime welfare. Were also all culturally compatible and sill ng to speak English, embrace capitalism and assimilate.


8 posted on 01/15/2018 8:32:52 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Salvation
The views on America expressed by Monsignor Pope at this point in the 21st Century are of interest, as are those of a Black Protestant Bishop from the late 19th Century during an Address delivered immediately following the nation's Civil War, and at an event celebrating the 100th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.

We must study and understand that "Progresssive" ideology has brought much nonsense upon us.

Beginning in the late 1800's, those who, then, self-described as "liberals" (more recently, identifying themselves as "progressive") called for "changes" which have been, in fact, regressive, in that they have carried America back to Old World ideas which limit freedom, opportunity, creativity, and plenty--just as they did in 1776.

Should any person who reads this doubt that such was the "progressive" agenda, read the following:

"Withdraw from Christendom the Bible, the Church with its sacraments and ministry, and Christian morality and hopes, and aspirations for time and eternity; repeal all the laws that are founded in the Christian Scriptures; remove the Christian humanities in the form of hospitals and asylums, and reformatories and institutions of mercy utterly unknown to unchristian countries; destroy the literature, the culture, the institutions of learning, the art, the refinement, the place of woman in her home and in society, which owe their origin and power to Christianity; blot out all faith in Divine Providence, love, and righteousness; turn back every believer in Christ to his former state; remove all thought or hope of the forgiveness of sins by a just but gracious God; erase the name of Christ from every register it sanctifies—in a word annihilate all the legitimate and logical effects of Christianity in Christendom—just accomplish in fact what multitudes of gifted and learned minds are wishing and trying to accomplish by their science, philosophy, and criticism, and what multitudes of the common people desire and seek, and not only would all progress toward and unto perfection cease, but not one of the shining lights of infidelity would shine much longer. Yes, the bitterest enemies of this holy and blessed religion, owe their ability to be enemies to its sacred revelations - to the inspiration and sublimity of that faith which reflects its glories on their hostile natures. They live in the strength of that which they would destroy. They are raised to their seats of opportunity and power by the grace of Him they would crucify afresh; and is it to be thought that they are stronger than that which gives them strength? Can it be supposed that a religion which civilizes and subdues, and elevates and blesses will succumb to the enmities it may arouse and quicken in its onward march? Are we to tremble for the ark of God when God is its upholder, and protector, and preserver?” - Dr. Benjaming W. Arnett, St. Paul A.M.E. Church, Urbana, Ohio, Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon, November 1876. Arnett's "Sermon" is available in the "Library of Congress - Historical Collections" - "African-American Pamphlets from the Daniel A. P. Murray Collection," 1820-1920; American Memory, Washington, DC.
Finally, in yet another section of that Sermon, Dr. Arnett warned of a movement then under way among what we would call "academics" which, if successful, would destroy the nation. Below is a relatively small excerpt from that Sermon's conclusion. In it, Rev. Arnett warned about a movement among "liberals" to remove the ideas underlying America's founding documents. See if you don't recognize those ideas in what you have observed in recent years:

"The Danger to our Country.

"Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

"'Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:

"'1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

"'2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

"'3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

"'4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

"'5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

"'6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

"'7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

"'8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

"'9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.'

"'Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.'

"Now we must not think that we have nothing to do in this great work," Bishop/Legislator Arnett said, "for the men who are at the head of this movement are men of culture and intelligence, and many of them are men of influence. They are led by that thinker and scholar, F. E. Abbott, than whom I know but few men who has a smoother pen, or who is his equal on the battle-field of thought."

"He acknowledges that this is a religious nation and wants all men to assist him in eliminating the grand old granite principles from the framework of our national union. Will you do it freeman; will we sell the temple reared at the cost of so much precious blood and treasure? These men would have us turn back the hands on the clock of our national progress, and stay the shadow on the dial plate of our christian civilization; they would have us call a retreat to the soldiers in the army of Christ; the banner of the cross they would have us haul down, and reverse the engines of war against sin and crime; the songs of Zion they would turn into discord, and for the harmony and the melody of the sons of God, they would give us general confusion; they would have us chain the forces of virtue and unloose the elements of vice; they would have the nation loose its moorings from the Lord of truth and experience and commit interest, morally, socially; religiously and politically to the unsafe and unreliable human reason; they would discharge God and his crew and run the ship of State by the light of reason, which has always been but a dim taper in the world, and all the foot-prints it has left are marked with the blood of men, women and children. No nation is safe when left alone with reason.

"But we have no notion of giving up the contest without a struggle or a battle. We are aware that there is a great commotion in the world of thought. Religion and science are at arms length contending with all their forces for the mastery. Faith and unbelief are fighting their old battles over again, everything that can be shaken is shaking. The foundations of belief are assaulted by the army of science and men are changing their opinions. New and starting theories are promulgated to the world; old truths are putting on new garbs. Error is dressing in the latest style, wrong is secured by the unholy alliances, changes in men and things, revolution in church and state, Empires are crumbling, Kingdoms tottering; everywhere the change is seen. In the social circle, in the school house, in the pulpit and in the pews. But amid all the changes and revolutions there are some things that are unchangeable, unmovable and enduring. The forces that underline the vital power of Christianity are the same yesterday, to-day, to-morrow and forever more. They are like their God, who is omnipotent, immovable and eternal, and everywhere truth has marched it has left its moccasin tracks.

"The Conclusion of the Whole Matter.We have patiently tried to examine the record of the nations of antiquity and learn the cause of their decay and decline, their fall, why their early death; and why so many implements of destruction around and about their tombs, and everywhere, in the silent streets, mouldering ruins, tottering columns, mouldy and moist rooms, and the united voice from the sepulcher of the dead past is, "sin is a reproach to any people." We see it written on the tombs of the Kings, and engraven on the pages of time, "sin is a reproach to any people." These are the principles of governments, Right and wrong; and the people who are the advocates of Right have bound themselves together and by their united effort they have brought light out of darkness and forced strength out of weakness.

"We as a nation have a grand and glorious future before us. The sun of our nation is just arising above the horizon and is now sending his golden rays of peace from one end of the land to the other. The utmost extremities of the members of the body politic are warm and in motion by the commercial and financial activities of the land. Her face is destined to blush with beauty when peace and justice shall be enthroned. The grand march of progress shall mark her in her onward advancement in moral strength, intellectual brilliancy, and political power. Then we can say that we give to every man, woman and child the benefit of our free institutions, giving all the benefits of our common school and the freedom to worship God under their own vine and fig tree. Then will we see written, on the banner of our free, redeemed and disenthralled country, the sublime words written, not in the blood of men, but in the sun-light of truth, that "Righteousness exalteth a nation." It will fall like the morning dew on the lowly; it will descend like the showers of May on the poor; and like the sun it will shine on the good and bad, dispensing from the hand of plenty the blessings of a government founded on the principle of justice and equality.

"Standing on the threshold of the second century of the nation's life, with the experience of the past lying at our feet, we are saluted by the shout of triumph from the millions who left their homes and business and attended the Great Exposition of the skill and genius of the world, collected at Philadelphia. We were permitted to receive the greetings from the oldest to the youngest nation of the earth. Egypt and the United States clasped hands over the waste of 5,000 years, and lay their treasures at the feet of our civilization. The material, intellectual and mechanical deterioration of the one, and the unprecedented progress of the other, stand in great contrast; in all that makes the nation great,—morally, religiously and socially, the young nation is ahead.

"Following the tracks of righteousness throughout the centuries and along the way of nations, we are prepared to recommend it to all and assert without a shadow of doubt, that "Righteousness exalted a nation"; but on the other hand following the foot-prints of sin amid the ruins of Empires and remains of cities, we will say that "sin is a reproach to any people."

9 posted on 01/15/2018 8:41:24 AM PST by loveliberty2
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49,206,934 Germans




10 posted on 01/15/2018 8:48:09 AM PST by Koracan
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“whose religion they often scorned and whose loyalty to the United States they doubted”

Yeah. Scorn is usually what you earn when your religion includes sectarian massacres like the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre in France (the reason my Huguenot ancestors left Europe), or the Inquisition itself (pretty much every Protestant remembers that), or all the other Catholic instigated wars against anyone who didn’t bow to the Italian Infallible Emissary of God in Heaven.

Translation: you came here. We left to get away from that kind of gangsterism, and it’s a BIG reason we don’t want to turn into a Latin country, where the same nightmare will be heaped on our children.

Guess the good Monsignor would rather see the Evil Protestant Enterprise known as the United States turned into just another South American S**thole (the most apt description ever) then live with the humiliation that the Protestants built the greatest country on the planet and it only took us about a century.


11 posted on 01/15/2018 9:08:51 AM PST by Regulator
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Interesting map.


12 posted on 01/15/2018 9:40:06 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Regulator

His church in Washington D. C. in mostly a black parish. But I’m sure there are mixed ethnicities there, too.


13 posted on 01/15/2018 9:41:54 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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**dishonest; illegals; irrelevant; **

Whoever added these keywords does not really know the Catholic Church of Monsignor Pope.


14 posted on 01/15/2018 9:47:16 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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15 posted on 01/15/2018 9:50:57 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

To those in the Church who cry out for illegal immigrants I ask: How many? Is there an acceptable number beyond which we can say there are too many to assimilate? Or is the complete overturning of our entire culture the actual goal?

How many?


16 posted on 01/15/2018 1:00:02 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Headline: Muslims Fear Backlash from Tomorrow's Terror Attack - Mark Steyn)
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To: dfwgator

Exactly.

In addition, my ancestors worked very hard to become Americans and were proud of being Americans.


17 posted on 01/15/2018 4:44:36 PM PST by Bigg Red (Francis is a Nincompope.)
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To: Salvation

I usually love what Msgr. Pope has to say, but he is very wrong on this issue.


18 posted on 01/15/2018 4:47:19 PM PST by Bigg Red (Francis is a Nincompope.)
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but do you remember the signs that used to say, “No Catholics Hired Here.” Or “Not hiring Italians.”

The has been around and is going around again.

After all, didn’t God make all these people in his own image and likeness?


19 posted on 01/15/2018 5:16:09 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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No, I don’t remember those signs. I remember reading about them. Pretty sure that was about 100 years ago.

Of course, all people are children of God, including illegal aliens who break into my country. They certainly deserve to be treated with dignity and respect as humans, but they do not deserve to break our laws only to be rewarded with living off the US taxpayer.

God wants me to be charitable, but I don’t believe He requires me to endanger or deprive those in my household by taking in lawbreakers and dangerous people whom I support to the detriment of my own family.


20 posted on 01/15/2018 6:40:41 PM PST by Bigg Red (Francis is a Nincompope.)
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