Posted on 01/30/2018 10:26:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
I support you in your desire to follow Christ. That does not mean I support the many fallacies you have presented as your “facts” in this paen to Pallestine.
“We are not ashamed that we are Palestinian, even as some of our brethren try to deny our history, our identity or our ‘nakba;’ the trauma that we collectively experienced in 1948 and continue to experience to this day.…Some “Evangelical Christian” who pushes the sick Satanic lie against Israel and refuses to believe the words of God.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
— Revelation 21:8
AS a pre-millennial dispensationalist myself, I can definitely state that there are a lot of strawmen in his argument.
There are different sorts of Palestinians these days, but a “Palestinian Jew” is, by definition, nonexistent. Those who you might think fit the description are instead referred to as “settlers”, “occupiers”, or “dead”.
RE: I can definitely state that there are a lot of strawmen in his argument.
Can you cite a few for us?
I have heard that there were few people, and that many of those people who were there were Jews living in effective slavery under Islam.
I have also heard that the people who lived there under the Ottoman Turks welcomed the change when Britain took over during the first world war.
I have heard that the Muslims had become upset that the Brits tried to restrict the more violent aspects of Sharia Law that in the 1930s the Muslim population aligned itself with the NAZIs and that the Palestinian Mufti himself spent the war in Berlin collaborating with the Germans. Particularly on matters pertaining to the Jews.
I have heard that when it appeared that Jews (fleeing extermination flooded into Jerusalem and the land of ancient Israel in the late forties appeared likely to be granted their own state by the government against whom the Muslim populace had rebelled during the second world war) were possibly going to be granted their own state a great ragtag jihadi multitude of rabble flooded into the area from all over the Muslim world. A population that vastly exceeded the native Muslim numbers.
In short, I have heard that most Palestinians are not, in fact, descendants of people who lived in the area for centuries. They are descendants of a jihadi army who came to kill Jews.
Don't lecture people on history Jack Sara. You don't seem to know much of it.
Instead, tell people of God's plan to remove the punishment for their sins by taking that burden on himself and dying in their place. If you really are an evangelical.
Flashback:
Pope Francis canonizes first Palestinian saints
With Abbas in attendance, Vatican sanctifies two 19th-century Catholic nuns in hopes of bolstering Mideast Christians
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-francis-canonizes-first-palestinian-saints/
What was the disaster in 1948? That you were unable to kill the Jews?
The UN proposed partition in 1948. A two state solution. The Jews accepted, the Arabs declared war, a war that continues to this day. The Jews have always been ready to make peace. Bill Clinton was shocked at the huge concessions that Israel was willing to make to Yasser Arafat. Arafat said no.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-implications-president-trumps-jerusalem-ploy-24192?page=show
No one I ever heard, or read, has ever said that NO one was living there before the Jews started the Zionist movement, or what ever moment in time you choose. It has been stated that it was sparsely populated and undeveloped. Is this not true?
I am not ashamed to be Palestinian, even when it has become an all-too-common experience that some people will react awkwardly once they discover this fact. I am not ashamed to be Palestinian, even when I am told to my face that my people are a block in the way of God's plan, and that we should leave our homeland to make room for the Jews.
I'm unaware, at least in the version of dispensationalism that I follow of any call for Palestinians to leave. At least based on theological principles.
I suspect sometimes that some of my brethren would prefer us all to be Muslim. It would make their politics and theology much tidier
I cannot believe that it is the wish of any Christian, of whatever persuasion, to wish anyone to be Muslim. Nor do I see how it would make their theology much tidier. That would be like, oh, destroying archaeological evidence of the existence of Jews in Israel for thousands of year, such as I have read some Muslims do. Politics, now? Who knows?
I admire his efforts at spreading the gospel of Christ. However, I oppose the Palestinians for their support of terror, their refusal to negotiate in good faith, their stated desire to destroy Israel, and a host of other reasons.
“I’m a Palestinian … I carried a Palestinian passport!”So after one technical definition, the only ones that can be termed Palestinian are Jews and not Arabs.
— Golda Meir
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means to continue our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity.”
— Zuheir Mohsen, PLO commander
Someone who is spreading the false gospel of the existence of “Palestinians” is not spreading Christ’s gospel.
Agreed, but being in error about a non-theological matter or most theological matters even, does not mean one cannot be a Christian. Just like spouting the most correct theology does not make one a Christian.
I have opinions about certain folks who claim to be Christian (Obama, Hillary, etc.), but in the end, I try to leave this judgment to God.
Well, the Bible is not unclear as to the definition.
Lying is a breach of the Ten Commandments. So far, this self-professed Christian is lying about the existence of a “nakba” and being “Palestinian”.
And who are the “people spitting on Palestinian Christians”?
Ah, I thought so; the NY Slimes of Israel.
Enjoy your stay on FR.
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