Posted on 05/10/2018 9:43:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32Remember Lot's wife.
33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
What exactly is not clear about this?
I’m not entirely sure we’re on the same page. Here’s what I personally am arguing in favor of:
Works are important, and someone who claims faith but doesn’t do good works probably doesn’t have faith.
But the only work that saves is Jesus’ work on the cross. The regeneration that comes from baptism and belief causes the desire to do good works—which is one big reason why someone who refuses to do good works probably doesn’t have faith to matter what they claim.
I think we’re on the same page now. That’s pretty much what I was trying to say, and it appears to be what James was saying.
Well, in that case, works for me!
Thank you - folks who cite that usually tend to forget that Jesus walked the Earth under the Old Covenant and had to be true to the Law under it even as He prepared us for His sacrifice. When He told us if we even think it, then we have effectively done it, he was stressing how incapable we were of leading sinless lives on our own.
God Bless
I also didn't realize just how flawed the DR translation really is.
As others have noted, the Greek word does not convey what Rome wants it to.
So here we have another bad translation leading to more bad theology.
Roman Catholics would serve themselves well to ditch the Latin and learn the texts in the Greek and Hebrew.
Well, the definition of *repent* is above.
Here is a definition of *penance*.....
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/penance
1. : an act of self-abasement, mortification (see mortification 1), or devotion performed to show sorrow or repentance for sin
He did charitable work as a penance.
2 : a sacramental rite that is practiced in Roman, Eastern, and some Anglican churches and that consists of private confession, absolution, and a penance directed by the confessor (see confessor 3a)
3 : something (such as a hardship or penalty) resembling an act of penance (as in compensating for an offense)
who go on cheap camping trips instead of real vacations as a kind of penance —Judith Thurman
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I daresay that every Catholic on this board knows and remembers that when the priest gives them penance after confession, it consists usually of saying prayers and that ones forgiveness is not complete until that is done.
Repentance is a change of mind.
Penance is acts or works done to obtain forgiveness.
NOT the same thing in the least.
Yeah we just made up John 20 and snuck it in there when you Protestants weren't looking.
It takes 6minutes?
This explains a lot
Show me the verse that says we are not forgiven until we confess to a priest in the Roman church and HE forgives us.
Not willful???
I would. Catholics recognize seven Sacraments: baptism, Holy Communion, marriage, confirmation, reconciliation, anointing of the sick, and taking holy orders of the priesthood.
So when a minister tells you that your sins are forgiven, it is as if the words come from Jesus himself.
If we believe that our minister or priest is the modern embodiment of Jesus' Disciples then His commands in John 20 make perfect sense.
Pete says:
That don’t make no sense!!
Look at the etymology rather than a dictionary definition. Corruption of words and misunderstanding is an ongoing thing, such as the word that is the subject of this thread, “gay”.
Not to mention, the Bible is full of instances of acts of self-abasement that were outward shows of repentance.
Does he now. He ought to re-read it then. It’s not hard to understand how grace, faith and works are three separate things, just to start with.
Popcorn time.
New Testament examples please.
One big example was Saul being abased on the road to Damascus, and how he appeared before Ananias when he got his sight back.
That was not something he did or had to do. This happened prior to his conversion to Christianity. Try again.
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