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To: ADSUM

“Again, your personal beliefs rely on only the Truth in the Bible, and so you ignore Truths that Jesus taught verbally.”

God the Holy Spirit recorded ALL that is necessary for salvation and maturity.

I cannot ignore all else Christ taught, since no one knows what it was.

If you disagree, you should be able to simply prove it.

“Jesus taught by example and speaking and this was passed down by the Apostles and their successors.”

If this is a true claim, then simply prove it is true by using facts and evidence from before 100 ad.

But it cannot be proven.

It is simply a false claim - a belief without foundation, used as a blank check to make paganism “true”.

“In other words, Jesus transmitted divine revelation via Tradition, so if you can’t trust Tradition, then you can’t trust the revelation.”

Repeated often, but not true. God sovereignty inspired, preserved and transmitted 2/3 of His Word, thousands of years before there was a Church.

After the blessed reformation, the cannon was re-examined and corrections made.

“That’s why, in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, St. Paul instructs his readers to “stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” The mode of transmission—written or unwritten—is irrelevant. It’s all Tradition.”

1. Not a soul knows which traditions Paul referred to. No one.
2. Paul never equates tradition to the authority of Scripture.
3. No tradition is inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Again, your argument attempts to make tradition into a blank check to cover whatever pagan traditions (which you advocate) Rome added. It is never that in Scripture ADSUM.

“The faith of the Church is that the saints are not really dead, but are fully alive in Jesus Christ, who is life itself ”

We agree they are alive.

We are never called to pray, nor talk to them - nor is there any proof they can hear us. Zero.

Nor is there any evidence from the Apostles that this is true.

Given the importance Rome places on this, it is bizarre that no Apostle taught it.

Again, not there.

“and offering prayers for the saints on earth (Rev. 4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11).”

What is not said is that any believer on earth prayed to a departed saint. Not said anywhere.

“May you find the Truth in the Catholic faith.0

And may you find saving truth in Christ, who died to save before there was ever a church.


76 posted on 06/24/2018 8:49:46 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Your personal opinion: “We are never called to pray, nor talk to them - nor is there any proof they can hear us. Zero.”

God expects us to pray for one another. We see this in both the Old and New Testaments.

In a dream, God commanded King Abimelech to ask Abraham to intercede for him: “For [Abraham] is a prophet and he will pray for you, so you shall live” (Gen. 20:7). When the Lord is angry with Job’s friends because they did not speak rightly about God, he tells them, “Let my servant Job pray for you because I will accept his [prayer], lest I make a terror on you” (Job 42:8).

Paul wrote to the Romans: “I exhort you, brothers, through our Lord Jesus Christ and through the love of the Spirit, to strive with me in prayers to God on my behalf, that I may be delivered from the disobedient in Judaea and that my ministry may be acceptable to the saints in Jerusalem, so that in the joy coming to you through the will of God I may rest with you” (Rom. 15:30-32).

James says: “Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects” (James 5:16-17). Thus, according to Scripture, God wants us to pray for one another. This must mean that prayer for one another cannot detract from the role of Jesus Christ as our one mediator with God.

And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God. (Rev. 8:3–4) (Saints includes those living on earth and those living in Heaven.)

Again, you vilify tradition just by stating your opinion without factual basis.

Is your bias against Catholicism helping you avoid the Truth?

As Christ told Thomas, “Have you come to believe because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”


77 posted on 06/24/2018 9:54:10 AM PDT by ADSUM
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