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To: ADSUM
Your personal opinion: “We are never called to pray, nor talk to them - nor is there any proof they can hear us. Zero.”

Easy Peasy then: chapter and verse that shows we are called to pray or talk to departed saints and that they can hear us.

God expects us to pray for one another.

Yes! Non-departed believers who are on earth.

[Here I am gutting all the verses you posted that say nothing about praying to departed saints]

As it turns out, you posted no facts to prove we are to pray to departed saints. Zero!

Again, you vilify tradition just by stating your opinion without factual basis.

No, I asked you to prove your claim was more than just opinion and hopefulness and paganism.

You demonstrated again that you have nothing from Scripture to support this crazy belief.

I keep asking you to prove it.

Use unbroken history, use Scripture, use contemporaneous secular art.

Zip.

Where is the proof??

78 posted on 06/24/2018 10:03:32 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Faith is not based on proof.

You either believe or you do not believe in the traditional preaching of Jesus Christ, His apostles and successors and His Catholic Church. Some of the traditional teachings of Jesus were written in the Bible and some were preached.

And the Word became flesh*

and made his dwelling among us,

and we saw his glory,

the glory as of the Father’s only Son,

full of grace and truth.

Not the written word was made flesh. Perhaps you should reread the post that specially identified praying to saints in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. There are living saints in Heaven and on earth as part of the Body of Christ - His Holy Church. Reread Revelations where the saints and angels present nuggets of incense (our prayers)as they set them on fire before the Throne of God.

I realize that many do not accept or believe all of the teachings of Jesus Christ or His oral sacred tradition and have separated from Christ’s ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

For example, many do not accept or believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, even though clearly stated in the Bible in several passages.

May you find God’s Truth.


82 posted on 06/24/2018 12:46:31 PM PDT by ADSUM
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