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To: captain_dave
Original sin is a Christian interpretation. Judaism does not have original sin. Since Genesis is part of the Hebrew Scriptures, one could conclude the Christian interpretation is mistaken.

Original sin is a Catholic doctrine. Lutheran/Calvinistic Protestants believe in something called "total depravity" that makes original sin seem like a wimp. Meanwhile, the ancient eastern and oriental churches don't believe in original sin at all. They claim it's an invention of the "west."

Incidentally, this is what made me a Noahide. I was reading an Eastern Orthodox booklet a friend had lent me, and the author was simply ranting and railing about the "arch-heretic Augustine" and the "pagan Greek" doctrine of original sin. He said the true doctrine of human nature is taught in the Talmud. Yes, he actually said that! I had been noticing as I went from Protestant to Catholic to Orthodox that with each one human nature was less messed up (an Orthodox priest told me there was no difference between me sitting there talking to him and Adam in the Garden!) What is the purpose of chrstianity or the crucifixion of there was nothing wrong with us to begin with? We already had a religion of morality and ritual, and it certainly didn't need to be replaced by another one. I concluded immediately that what wasn't broke didn't need fixin'.

48 posted on 06/24/2018 1:24:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ("Conservatism" without G-d is just another form of Communism.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What is the purpose of chrstianity or the crucifixion of there was nothing wrong with us to begin with? We already had a religion of morality and ritual, and it certainly didn't need to be replaced by another one. I concluded immediately that what wasn't broke didn't need fixin'.

So, you have never sinned?

    For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (Leviticus 17:11)

    But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. (Romans 3:21-28)

52 posted on 06/24/2018 1:44:47 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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