Posted on 06/23/2018 8:18:04 PM PDT by OddLane
Andy is pastor of the Church of the Mega Mall. He ain’t squat
The Apple apparently does fall far from the tree
Then you haven’t ever attended a service at the Church of the Mega Mall
I actually have no idea what Andy's church is.
I do watch Charles Stanley, his father.
Jesus took Jonah’s experience to further detail, saying that the fish was a whale. A whale surfaces to breath.
How many of the miracles performed by Jesus do you not believe?
I believe that before the Son of God resurrected, every cell in his body had died. The body just hadn’t began to rot yet.
But, traditions around the world (China, India, Mexico, etc.) do have a long day in them. Additional roaming on the net indicates that the wording used in Joshua could also be translated into something like “the sun stopped doing what it normally does” - which folks have traced back to a solar eclipse.
I can see where some of these might just be allegories - like the parables as you say. On the other hand - I once heard a Presbyterian minister say that the virgin birth of Jesus was just a story. “I grew up on a farm. That just doesn't happen!” And somehow he tried to make the point of how sometimes the “story” is more important than the actual fact.
He was new to our church, and I invited him to our home for dinner. At the end I asked him - “So what else is just a “story” - and not actual fact? Well - let me get to the point - did Jesus rise from the dead or not? And I'm guessing that if you don't believe in a virgin birth, you don't believe in rising from the dead.”
“Well - of course not. But I figured that sermon REALLY wouldn't have gone over well.”
“Well, thanks for coming to dinner, but we will be quiting the church after all of these years. By the way - how in the world did they let you become a minister!?”
As an earlier poster stated - if one can believe in the Resurrection, then anything is believable. And I very well might be wrong that many of the stories are actual fact, and like you said - folks are free to believe it or not. But I'm just concerned for myself that when do the stories stop and the facts begin? And what might I miss out on when telling myself “Oh - that's just a story.” But - is my complete understanding of Jonah, Joshua, Passover, etc. critical to my faith? I don't think so.
Someday I would like to do a study on what Jesus said about a lot of these stories. He seems to state as fact about Jonah - “Just as Jonah was in the fish for three days, I will be in the grave for three days and...” (or something to that effect.) Of course he could just be stating the “facts” of the made-up story. Or something is lost in translation.
But if it was me - and Jonah wasn't real, I would have said something like “And Jonah? That is just a make believe story. But I WILL be in the grave three days and rise from the dead!”
I accept the resurrection as reported in writing by the only eye witness that wrote in the new testament, John. I am with you on that. That actually gives me eternal life. There is no eternal for non believers unless you disagree with John 3:16- 18.
Jesus also gave “The Sign of Jonah” as the mark of his Authenticity regarding His Death and Resurrection !
Damn right he was.
[Noah was real too!]
Absolutely. 100%
All because he pastors a "mega 'church'" and they both care more about "numbers" than they do the truth, honoring God, and obeying His Word.
My heart goes out to his godly father Charles Stanley. That said, if no one has the strength to confront Andy over his heresies, his father should.
No; Andy Stankey is a heretic, in every sense of the word.
I love Charles Stanley. His book “Landmines in the Path of the Believer” is fantastic. I feel so badly for this good man that he has such a terrible son.
Say what? Why did Jesus die? Anyone who thinks they are capable of avoiding sin (He told us that if we even thought it, we had done it) and becoming more worthy on their own, is nuts.
He’s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
The Law was put in charge to lead us to Christ.
If you eliminate the OT and the Law, then you eliminate the mechanism by which people come to Christ.
The video at the link is about a half an hour long, if anyone is interested in watching it.
The Garden of Eden was located between the Pishon, Havilah, Tigris, and Euphrates rivers.
It’s somewhere in the Middle East then.
Adam and Eve were real unless you want to take the position of calling Jesus and all the prophets liars.
Why am I not surprised?
If you doubt the accounts of the Old Testament, how can you believe Jesus was crucified and rose on the third day??
..he is representative of the post-modern so-called church. 180 degrees from where his dad was most of his ministry. Now Dr. Stanley is simply tired...
“Jesus taught in parables.”
He did. But it’s easy to distinguish His parables from actual events. For one thing, parables never use the name of a person while “true stories” include proper names.
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