Posted on 06/23/2018 8:18:04 PM PDT by OddLane
Andy Stanley's sermon series "The Aftermath" demonstrates a downgrade in evangelical theology. In his hope to make Christianity acceptable to an increasingly hostile environment, Andy seeks to eliminate anything, including the Bible, that may stand in the way of people accepting the message. Here we examine Andy's attempt to have the resurrection "stand alone" in opposition to "Scripture Alone,” which is a false dichotomy.
The simple reality: Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. His death, burial, and resurrection are "according to the Scriptures," as Paul states is of "first importance." The resurrection, like the Scriptures, does not "stand alone," but it stands in the context of God's covenantal dealings with his creation.
If we can unplug the Hebrew Scripture from today’s theology and discussion of life, we can permit a whole bunch of sin. And that is the end game.
As Jesus walked along the road to Emmaus with a few disciples, it is written in Luke 24:27 the following, “And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself”. Andy has fallen so far from the mark. It is so tragic to me. How is it that he cannot see that beginning with Moses and all the prophets it is a narrative woven through the truth of the events if God’s chosen people that clearly illustrates man’s need for a redeemer and that being Christ himself? Andy wants to cut off the Old Testament and dispose of it. How would the New Covenant even begin to make sense if we did not understand it’s need grown out of the old Covenant. He has become a false teacher and for that I am very sad. Surely his father mourns.
“While physical and extra-biblical historical evidence may exist for the resurrection, our faith does not depend on these.”
Amen!
[[Andy Stanley’s sermon series “The Aftermath” demonstrates a downgrade in evangelical theology.]]
Many of his ‘sermons’ demonstrate that he is not preaching the word of God but rather his own twisted theology
“If we can unplug the Hebrew Scripture from today’s theology and discussion of life, we can permit a whole bunch of sin.”
And if Jesus’ life is disconnected from the Hebrew scripture, he was nothing more than a lunatic. Almost everything he said in the gospels becomes meaningless. And the church is just a bizarre personality cult.
This is the goal of the marxist/”progressive” infiltration of traditional theology - to rip the guts out of the Gospel of Christ and destroy the church.
This is an interesting movement. I believe in much of what he says. But it is too long and devisive to discuss here. But it is going to not go away.
Oh ...it Will go away.
The Messiah was foretold in the
Garden of Eden with the fall
of Adam and Eve.
The coming Lord of Lords will
Cast that same Devil into Hell.
Where was the Garden of Eden? Do you actually thing that Adam and Eve are not alagorical?
“As part of my shift, I stopped leveraging the authority of Scripture and began leveraging the authority and stories of the people behind the Scripture,” Stanley explained. “To be clear, I don’t believe ‘the Bible says,’ ‘Scripture teaches,’ and ‘the Word of God commands’ are incorrect approaches. But they are ineffective approaches for post-Christian people.”
https://juicyecumenism.com/2018/05/16/andy-stanley-responds-unhitch-criticisms/
If all we have to offer is ‘life stories’, then what distinguishes us from ANYONE claiming ANYTHING?
“Therefore I intend always to remind you of these qualities, though you know them and are established in the truth that you have. I think it right, as long as I am in this body, to stir you up by way of reminder, since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me.
And I will make every effort so that after my departure you may be able at any time to recall these things. For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain.
And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” - the Apostle Peter
I realize many will never be convinced of anything by reading or hearing the Word of God. That is why the Wide Road goes downhill! But if I could argue someone into faith, I could argue them back out. Their faith needs to rest on something more secure than man-made arguments and persuasion. And that is the Word of God.
If someone reads the Gospels and doesn’t recognize Jesus as Lord, my life story isn’t going to do squat!
A good criticism of Stanley’s position by John Piper is found here:
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/open-bibles-burning-hearts
A sample:
“Here’s what I mean. Saving faith is not the persuasion that the resurrection of Jesus rose bodily from the grave. That persuasion is essential to saving faith, but not the essence of it. The devil knows that Jesus rose from the dead, and he is not saved (see also Luke 16:31). The essence of saving faith is seeing the supreme beauty of Christ in the meaning of the event, and embracing him as Savior, and Lord, and the greatest Treasure in the universe. Satan does not see the crucified and risen Christ as supremely beautiful, and he does not treasure him. But believers do. That is the essence of saving faith....
...Therefore, what I am suggesting is that in our present New Testament we have the consummation of God’s demonstration of the beauty and worth of Christ. It is God’s own complete portrait of the glory of his Son — the meaning of his work from eternity to eternity, and its implications for human life....”
Forgive me if I repeat for emphasis:
“It is God’s own complete portrait of the glory of his Son — the meaning of his work from eternity to eternity, and its implications for human life....”
It is GOD speaking to man! A man who rejects GOD’s portrait of Jesus will not be convinced by mine!
Hold onto Your hat...
I’m convinced Noah was real too!
Andy is a Putz.
BTTT.
Jonah is undoubtedly the oldest book
and Job is most unique.
They too, I’m convinced, are Real
Persons whose life would be a
Useful lesson to those seeking
Knowledge of the God of
Abraham, Issac and Jacob.
As Keith explained, the entire New Testament is completely without reason if the events that occurred in it weren't foretold by Moses and the Prophets.
I’ve read that Job is the oldest written book in the Bible. But - that may be when it was “written”. I’m guessing that Genesis, etc. were in verbal form much earlier than Job.
Both the verbal and the written forms are reliable. I’ve also read that back in the day before the written word, when someone would make a mistake in telling the “story”- anyone could correct them, and then whoever made the correction could continue telling it. Makes sense - in order to keep an accurate record of things in a society with no writing.
BUMP!
Job,Jonah..Fascinating men.
Shadrac,Meshack and Abednego...stout!
I’d think I’d like to meet
John the Baptist.
I don’t think we appreciate that we
Have a Bible and we discuss it.
It is ,
in itself,
a Miracle.
I have no doubt in my mind that Jonah did not live in a fish gut for thee days in the water. That did not occur in my opinion. You can believe that if you wish. Nor do I accept the myth that Joshua stopped the earth’s orbit around the Sun to get more day light. That is all alagory. Jesus taught in parables. Those aren’t literal stories. So does God teach in parables?
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