History Explains Eastern European Hostility to Islam

American Thinker ^ | 07/18/2018 | Raymond Ibrahim

[lurk]

Remember the 60’s and 70’s when polock jokes were all the rage? Turns out they’re the smart ones with the last laugh.

[pleasenotcalifornia]

The Poles made a movie about this. You Tube has it. It is OK.

[Capt. Tom]

One's clueless neighbors fail to see it because they conflate Christ and Christianity with Mohammed and Islam are blinded to the danger posed by the latter.

I agree.

The fundamentals of Islam as found in the Koran, Hadith's and life of Muhammad and the 4 caliphs immediately following Muhammed, and 1400 years of history are to subjugate , convert, or kill, all people who are not Muslims.

Christianity is a girly boy religion compared to Islam.
Christians are encouraged to forgive and forget, be nice to one another and strangers, and turn the other cheek when wronged, and pray for forgiveness for the aggressor.

This makes Christians perfect saps when confronting Muslims.
Islam came along 600 years after Christianity and knows how to take advantage of long established Christian naivetivity.. - Tom

[Oratam]

I often think Carter was hapless, bumbling, naive, overly trusting, etc. but then I recall this quote:

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice."

[Will88]

Very apt quote. I recalled Carter referring to Khomeini as a holy man, but don’t think I heard all those other quotes from Carter administration officials. Those are just incredible in how wrong they all were.

[Fred Hayek]

Ignoring that before Jesus was arrested He told his disciples to sell a cloak to by a sword. Self defense is not a sin!

[SeekAndFind]

RE: The Poles made a movie about this. You Tube has it. It is OK.

We need a bigger budget for this so that it can be known and seen WORLDWIDE ( of course it will be shunned by the politically correct Hollywood types) and of course, it will create a worldwide Muslim backlash.

If this happens, GOOD I say. Let’s make the world more aware of Islam’s history

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Remember the 60’s and 70’s when polock jokes were all the rage? Turns out they’re the smart ones with the last laugh.

I would not call the Polish people stupid. Just look at the huge list of their accomplished folks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_people

Those calling them dumb have a huge inferiority complex.

[woodbutcher1963]

I think Vlad the Impaler stopped the Turks back in 1460’s.

He knew how to deal with the invading Muslims.

[Sergio]

And the apologists will tell you that Islam has a historic right to north Africa and the middle east. They seem to forget that by the time Mohammed was born, north Africa and the middle east was about 60% Christian.

So if want to tell me that Islam has rights to this area because of past conquests, then maybe Germany should extend to Moscow and France.

[Maverick68]

Thanks to islam, Vlad the Impaler is considered a “good guy”....

[Hildawgs Taint]

When it’s time to protect Eastern Europe and the all the Slavic people unite to do so, there is going to be a VERY big problem for certain people who aren’t supposed to be on that land.

[antidisestablishment]

Europe hasn’t been Christian in decades. It’s not Christians welcoming the Islamic invasions; it’s Leftists.

The leftist worldview is much more similar to Islam’s than one would think at first glance. Despite its rhetoric, many of the same ideals are at play.

See if replacing Islam with Leftism in the following changes any statement to false:

Islam is collectivist—society is above individuals
Islam is conformist—everyone must obey its dictates
Islam is deceitful—lying is a highly-valued skill
Islam is divisive—it divides the world into classes based on every imaginable distinction
Islam is dyscognitive—one must adhere to beliefs that defy reality
Islam is elitist—it is driven by self-proclaimed prophets
Islam is fear-based—its the only way to escape punishment or evil
Islam is illogical—dogma is valued over debate
Islam is intolerant—its dictates cannot to be questioned upon fear of shunning or death
Islam is invasive—it cannot let neighbors live in peace
Islam is irrational—empirical science has no bearing on ideology
Islam is genocidal—it kills and displaces entire nations
Islam is globalist—its goal is world domination
Islam is sensual—their paradise is a hedonistic house of carnal pleasure
Islam is sexual objectification—every perverse act is allowed to its adherents
Islam is slavery—both to its adherents in name and lower classes in fact
Islam is supremacist—other ways are not subordinate; they are inherently evil
Islam is totalitarian—it seeks control of every aspect of life
Islam is tribal—the first loyalty is to tribe
Islam is violent—it is filled with the worship, threat, or reality of mutilation and death

[Mount Athos]

Wow nice post

[Capt. Tom]

It’s not Christians welcoming the Islamic invasions; it’s Leftists.

Aren't those Leftists mostly from a Christian background? Tom-

[antidisestablishment]

“Aren’t those Leftists mostly from a Christian background? Tom-”

I would argue the opposite. While there is a vestigial Catholicism in some older populations, more European leftists are purely atheist. The vast majority of those advocating pro-immigrant policies would be offended to be called Christians. Those who aren’t offended would fall into the “christian” socialist camp which has no correlation with historical Christianity.

[antidisestablishment]

Thanks! That one took a while, even though I’ve considered the concept a while. Attending college when I was in my mid-thirties, I found the disconnect between Leftist rhetoric and their unyielding support of Islam disconcerting, if not outright unbridgeable.

Having spent some quality time overseas, I couldn’t reconcile the cognitive dissonance until I had time to consider the basis of both world views. While one wears a religious veneer, and the other a “humanist” face, the similarities are actually quite extensive. Both are ultimately totalitarian in outlook and action. Together, their human toll dwarfs everything else in combination throughout history. I should have included statements about anger and hatred, but I thought 20 was a nice round number.

Maybe someday, I’ll finish a more exhaustive list.

[Capt. Tom]

I would argue the opposite. While there is a vestigial Catholicism in some older populations, more European leftists are purely atheist.

I can see that in the upper class ruling elitists, but not in the rest of the European populations.
Their do good, feel good be nice attitudes toward strangers are no match for Islam. Tom