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[Catholic Caucus] Death Penalty Debacle: Our Lady of Fatima called it
aka Catholic ^ | August 2, 2018 | Louie Verrecchio

Posted on 08/02/2018 8:18:12 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: stanne

Did you read the article?

Verrecchio addressed that aspect of the JPII Catechism, contrasting it to the Church’s traditional doctrine on Capital Punishment as stated in the Roman Catechism (aka Catechism of the Council of Trent).


21 posted on 08/02/2018 8:56:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (President Trump divides Americans . . . from anti-Americans.)
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To: vladimir998
Yet that same God did not execute Cain when He killed Abel. God even protected Cain so that no one would kill him. Genesis 4:15

He destroyed Sodom and allowed His Only Son to be crucified by a civil authority.

22 posted on 08/02/2018 9:02:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“I ignore all post VCII catechisms,”

Which would explain your ignorance on the development of doctrine. I always told you that you don’t know what you’re talking about and here you are admitting it.


23 posted on 08/02/2018 9:02:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

I know the difference between “development” and “reversal” of doctrine. I wish you would.


24 posted on 08/02/2018 9:04:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“I know the difference between “development” and “reversal” of doctrine. I wish you would.”

You can’t if you ignore the sources that show the development - and you just admitted that you ignore them. Embracing ignorance is not a way to know things.


25 posted on 08/02/2018 9:06:36 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

Another reason I ignore the post-VCII catechisms. Muslims adoring the same God as Catholics do is not a "development of doctrine.

26 posted on 08/02/2018 9:08:34 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998

Apparently I haven’t embraced ignorance as much as you have.

I have to know the catechisms to reject them. I have quoted from several of them; you haven’t.


27 posted on 08/02/2018 9:11:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“I have to know the catechisms to reject them. I have quoted from several of them; you haven’t.”

So, in other words, when you say you ignore them, you were actually knowingly posting a falsehood. Check.


28 posted on 08/02/2018 9:15:36 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
What Did the Saints Say about Islam?

I realize I have broken my own caucus, so to all: consider it open.

29 posted on 08/02/2018 9:19:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998

What falsehoood?

Don’t just make vague accusations without evidence.

Can we drop this for tonight?


30 posted on 08/02/2018 9:21:46 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998

Once I read and recognize heresy, I ignore it from then on.


31 posted on 08/02/2018 9:28:41 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: vladimir998

I readily admit I cannot define these different levels of development, but there is a broader picture here? This omission of capital punishment will gradually increase appreciation of pro-life across the spectrum.


32 posted on 08/02/2018 9:29:21 PM PDT by Marchmain (Things are not what they seem.)
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This omission of capital punishment will gradually increase appreciation of pro-life across the spectrum.

I disagree; I believe most pro-aborts, e.g. Democrats, are also against the death penalty.

Why has nobody called for the execution of baby-killers?

33 posted on 08/02/2018 9:34:36 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

The Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent. Imagine THAT.

It’s helpful to hear that Catholic dogma, faith and catechisms actually precedes the past 5 or 6 decades, contrary to Stompy Foot Jorge’s little 5 years stint of drive-by shoot ‘um ups, against all that is holy.

Who knew?

Poor George.


34 posted on 08/02/2018 9:37:17 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Ed & Academia are the FARM TEAM for more Marxists coming, infinitum.)
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To: vladimir998

This is just the Jorge slipping his toe in the door, getting the snowball rolling, the first direct in-your-face step down the slippery slope, the camel’s nose under the tent, et cetera, et cetera. We all know exactly what is going on. Heart breaking.


35 posted on 08/02/2018 9:46:30 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Ed & Academia are the FARM TEAM for more Marxists coming, infinitum.)
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To: vladimir998
Yeah....and that would have caused significant disruption in his plan, not having Canaanites to be dealt with by Joshua. He could have put all the righteous in an ark and then flooded Cain by himself....but it appears he had a bigger plan, like creating a people to fellowship with him.

God still instituted the death penalty, and that is undeniable. Furthermore, he also gave civil government the power execute justice to deal with evil-doers (Romans 13:3), and that is not limited to God's people, but also to gentiles.

36 posted on 08/02/2018 9:49:40 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: Marchmain

The hard core leftist mindset leads them to want to tear down all the pillars of society, first and foremost the family. At the heart of it is the murder of children. The hard cores that control this issue are evil, plain and simple. That anything will change their minds is as pipe dream


37 posted on 08/02/2018 10:22:13 PM PDT by j.havenfarm ( 1,000 Posts as of 8/11/17! Still not shutting up after all these years!)
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To: vladimir998

The concept came from Cardinal Bernardin’s Seamless Garment. It wormed its way onto the CCC and the Gospel of Life.

Punishing capital offenders, as defined by the Word of God, by legitimate authority is a righteous act.

Nothing the current Pontiff says is going to change the Natural Law.


38 posted on 08/02/2018 10:23:47 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: Last Dakotan

I wonder how the pro-capital punishment crowd feel about unborn babies being given death sentences through abortion.


39 posted on 08/02/2018 10:27:10 PM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: ebb tide

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40 posted on 08/03/2018 12:00:40 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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