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More Roman Catholic Catechism Changes?
Pastoral Meanderings ^ | 08-10-2018 | Pastor Peters (LCMS)

Posted on 08/10/2018 3:09:22 PM PDT by NRx

A week or so ago the Vatican announced a change in the Catechism of the Catholic Church which changed the teaching regarding the capital punishment.  It was now deemed inadmissible -- whatever that means -- or no longer moral (though Scripture clearly allows this).  Now another change, perhaps more devious and clandestine than the announced change on the death penalty.  This represents the removal of one sentence and replacing it with something that is completely different, one that fails to acknowledge homosexuality to be objectively disordered and instead sympathetically suggests that homosexual tendency is not at all a choice but a condition natural to their birth.  Perhaps this is how Pope Francis plans to change the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, a few words at a time.  If that is the case, who knows where this will lead and who is checking the catechism on a daily basis to see what changes have crept in.

This is another version of change that comes not openly or by consideration but through the back door -- an attempt to re-define the faith without telling anyone about it.  Lutherans may only be interested in this for curiosity' sake but we would do well to remember the principle.  The most dangerous change comes through the back door and not through open consideration of that change and its debate on the basis of Scripture and the fathers.  

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P85.HTM
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P85.HTM
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

It appears that They do not choose their homosexual condition was in the text until something about 2004 or so when the text was changed to This inclination, which is objectively disordered.  While it may, indeed, be true of at least some that they do not choose their homosexual condition, this is a point unrelated to the issue of objectively disordered.  Children are born with many conditions not of their choice but the result of a sinful world in which brokenness exists not only in material condition but in spiritual and in which desire is tainted by sin as much as act and choice.  Yet, the question remains why changes like this would not be transparent and why there would not be explanation for the change.  Coupled with Pope Francis' words that God made them gay, this represents a distinct softening of the previous stance and a shift away from the very idea that homosexuality is disordered.  If that is the case, then my premise still stands.  The most dangerous changes in the faith are the ones that enter through the back door without debate and not necessarily the ones on which discussion or even a vote is taken.  Too often, the discussion follows the acceptance of change and the vote merely affirms the change already embedded in the hearts and minds of the people.

 


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To: Mrs. Don-o
Bullshingles.

Really...again? Just come on out and say what you're thinking.

Per Roman Catholic dogma you've committed yet another mortal sin.

You've quite the mouth.

The Pope can not nullify previous teachings, no more than he could nullify the Law of Gravity. And to lose your grip on "A does not equal not-A" is to lose, not just your faith, but your mind.

Well, yes he can, has and probably will again. You need to research your church history a bit more. Do so and you will find where the pope [not this one, but others] has nullified prior teachings.

You have a significantly distorted view of pope as autocrat. He is the minister of Apostolic doctrine, not the master.

Well....yes he is...for the Roman Catholic....though not Christians.

Rome's own dogmatic statements makes this clear.

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.http://www.papalencyclicals.net/bon08/b8unam.htm

In the course of the ages other vicarial designations have been used for the pope, as Vicar of St. Peter and even Vicar of the Apostolic See (Pope Gelasius, I, Ep. vi), but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Church on earth, which he bears in virtue of the commission of Christ and with vicarial power derived from Him. Thus, Innocent III appeals for his power to remove bishops to the fact that he is Vicar of Christ (cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep."). He also declares that Christ has given such power only to His Vicar Peter and his successors (cap. "Quanto", 3, ibid.), and states that it is the Roman Pontiff who is "the successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus Christ" (cap. "Licet", 4, ibid.). The title Vicar of God used for the pope by Nicholas III (c. "Fundamenta ejus", 17, "De elect.", in 6) is employed as an equivalent for Vicar of Christ. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15403b.htm

41 posted on 08/10/2018 7:11:32 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Yes...He said this is my body......do this in remembrance of Me. - - -
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Your translation is wrong.

I heard from an expert it should be: Do this to re present me. ie make me present again.


42 posted on 08/10/2018 7:12:32 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (.Q.)
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To: ealgeone
Yes...He said this is my body......

My question is: “do you actually believe what the Scripture says, or only what you’ve been able to rationalize of what the Scripture says?”

43 posted on 08/10/2018 7:12:52 PM PDT by papertyger (Covfefe Bigly!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You seem to think the "Magisterium" is a person or a group of people.

Category mistake. Look it up. By the Magisterium we mean the teaching office of the Church. It consists of the Pope and Bishops.

https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/chura4.htm

This is really to easy.

44 posted on 08/10/2018 7:15:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: PraiseTheLord
Your translation is wrong. I heard from an expert it should be: Do this to re present me. ie make me present again.

Gonna need a source for that assertion.

45 posted on 08/10/2018 7:16:51 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: papertyger
My question is: “do you actually believe what the Scripture says, or only what you’ve been able to rationalize of what the Scripture says?”

Am I to presume you've gouged out your eye or cut off your hand?? Or have sold all of your possessions??

46 posted on 08/10/2018 7:17:52 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: All

Holy Tradition that was handed down from apostles to the next Bishops doesn’t change either.


47 posted on 08/10/2018 7:20:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; All
Holy Tradition that was handed down from apostles to the next Bishops doesn’t change either.

Except Rome cannot tell us exactly what that "Tradition" that keeps on changing is.....though we've asked.

You'd think this latest pronouncement from the pope on the death penalty would be evidence of the change in "Tradition".

Salvation...are you of the opinion like many of your fellow Roman Catholics, that there haven't been any legitimate popes since V2?

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Scripture does not change......Roman Catholic "tradition" has, does and will change.

48 posted on 08/10/2018 7:24:23 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
>>Am I to presume you've gouged out your eye or cut off your hand?? Or have sold all of your possessions??<<

Well, you're the sola scriptura proponent; why haven't you done so?

Because I read the Scriptures in context.

50 posted on 08/10/2018 7:29:31 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Your sola context.


51 posted on 08/10/2018 7:30:32 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone

Yup. And God never changes either.


52 posted on 08/10/2018 7:33:06 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: ealgeone

The immaculate conception is not only not found in scripture but is not truth either. Mary rejoiced in her Savior, so she obviously needed one as do all the rest is us.


55 posted on 08/10/2018 7:37:22 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Marchmain

And that is your problem. The inspired Word of God cannot hold a candle to your sect. I pity you. Heaven and earth ( and your art and music and whatever else) will soon pass away but the Word oh God is eternal.


56 posted on 08/10/2018 7:40:05 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Mom MD
Mary rejoiced in her Savior, so she obviously needed one as do all the rest is us.

No, kidding!!!

That doesn't disprove She was conceived without the stain of original sin. And you can't prove She wasn't.

57 posted on 08/10/2018 7:46:20 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

You can’t prove she was. She needed a savior and therefore was not sinless


58 posted on 08/10/2018 7:51:37 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Mom MD

Every human being needs a Savior and that includes Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, etc. And not one of those Old Testament souls went to Heaven until the Blessed Mother expressed her fiat.


60 posted on 08/10/2018 8:09:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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