The Pre-Trib Rapture is Solid Biblical Truth. Here's Why.

Unsealed ^ | 9/7/18 | Hillary

[MayflowerMadam]

“And every generation since the protestant reformation has thought they were the chosen ones to be in on the rapture.”

I believe in pre-Trib rapture, but it has never been a case of being “CHOSEN ONES to be in on the rapture”. I’ve been immersed in this theology my entire life, and have never heard it presented that way. When it happens, it happens. Could be a minute from now. Could be a millennium from now. We do believe a literal live body going up in the air.

It’ll happen just after Christians who have died earlier have been taken up. (Verse 16)

[chuckles]

Scripture tells us we are NOT the children of Wrath. So when does the wrath start? Rev 6:1 states Jesus cuts the first seal and the Antichrist starts conquering. Tribulation starts with the cutting of the first seal. There will be 7 years of Tribulation, not 3/12. The first 3 1/2 years, the wrath could be looked at as "acts of God", like earthquakes, famines, asteroid strikes, ect. We will be gone before the Antichrist starts his conquests. As the earthquakes, famines, and plagues spread, we may not even know who the antichrist is. The chaos will need a strong hand and he will step up to control the rabble with force. Most will cheer him on. Rev 4:1 says John heard a voice like a Trumpet saying "Come up here". That's the Rapture before the first seal is broken.

What many don't seem to get is man's wrath can get pretty bad, but it's NOT God's wrath. If you were betrothed to a bride, would you allow her to be beaten and killed before the wedding? Would you allow your children to be tortured before you rescued them? Why wait even a moment watching your loved ones suffer? The Tribulation is for disobedient children, not your loved ones.

Next is Lev 23 Feast Days. If God fulfilled Passover on Passover, Unleavened Bread on Unleavened Bread, First Fruits on First Fruits, and Pentecost exactly on Pentecost, why would He randomly fulfill the Fall Feasts when we weren't expecting Him? If you proposed Marriage to a Bride, wouldn't you want her to know when to be ready for pickup? If we know Pentecost has already happened, why would the next Feast Day be Yom Kippur? Judgement day before the Feast of Trumpets? God doesn't work that way. The Rapture will be the next event in Gods calendar. Trumpets is when the crowning of the King will happen. The Marriage Feast of the Lamb will happen. There are many things that will happen on or near Trumpets. Why would we miss that? If you miss the Marriage of the Lamb, you ain't going.

I skimmed the article quickly, but it seemed well thought out and I have nothing else to add. I believe you could study it and be pretty much on track with sound reasoning.

Having said that, I have something else to add that many people don't speak of. In Mat 25, we read of wise and foolish virgins. Many seem to think the foolish virgins are "lost people". That's not want it says. It says they were "virgins" That means church members. Only virgins can marry the High Priest and they must be from Israel. That's why we must be adopted into God's Family to be eligible. They were obviously left behind because they weren't ready to go. The wise virgins had extra oil in extra vessels they carried with them. The foolish ones only had the oil in their lamps. Oil is the Holy Spirit. The foolish ones were left because they were NOT baptized in the Holy Spirit and were just Baptized in water. If you are Baptized in the Holy Spirit, you will see a definite difference in these people. They are NOT wishy washy, luke warm, pew sitters, and will hear from Jesus,"I never knew you". Going to church and paying your tithe doesn't get you a personal relationship with Jesus. Jesus is coming for a Bride, not an acquaintance that is not looking forward to His coming. I visualize a woman peeking out her window all dressed up and ready for her wedding night with her heart aflutter in anticipation of her lover coming to pick her up.

I've actually had conversations with people that said I hope Jesus doesn't come this summer cause I just put a pool in, or my cruise is in a week, or I want to watch my grand kids grow up.

They obviously don't have the right priorities. These are the people that we read about that are beheaded under the altar in Rev 6:9-11. These people were left behind and were forced to choose Jesus and a beheading or take the mark. God has made it plain all through Scripture we must die in the flesh to be His. You can kill your flesh in the Baptismal, or you can physically die by the executioners sword. Either way, in order to be the Bride of Christ we must give our lives to Him. If you drag the dead body out of the Baptism and carry him around with you, you are still trying to resuscitate the old man and are double minded.

Joh 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.

We know Jesus is our friend, but are we a friend to Jesus? If you won't follow His commands, you aren't His friend. If you are a friend of Jesus, you will die to your flesh as he did for you. If that seems too much to ask, you don't understand what He did for you. All of the Apostles, save John, went to a violent death to serve Christ. If you won't follow His commands, you certainly won't get beheaded for Him. Many have told me Jesus doesn't speak to them. Jesus said His sheep hear His voice. That should be a wake up call to someone who says they never hear from God. They don't have that personal relationship we talked about earlier.

The point here is there will be "Christians" that say they're are going in the Rapture and won't make it. They confuse Rapture with Salvation. If you face the Beast and refuse the mark, your salvation is true and you will go to Heaven when you die. If you take the mark, you will buy yourself another year or two, but will die a horrible death and go to hell because whatever you did and said in the church baptismal was a lie and you just got wet. Sin is no longer the measure of your salvation, faith and belief is. If you believe, you will flee sin because the law is in your heart. We still sin, but if we repent, He is quick to forgive. Your sins have been forgiven. God measures your heart. Many have trouble comprehending they can be saved ultimately, but be left behind to face the Beast.

After the Mat 25 virgin parable, there are others about "servants". There is a difference between virgin brides and servants. The servants were given His money and one made 5 talents and another 2 and another buried his 1. The ones that made a return on His investment were told good job. The last that buried His Master's money was thrown where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. God has invested His Son's blood in you. Do you have any gain to show Him when you meet Him? I had a vision once of Isaiah 6:1 and I was before the King and people had been trowing their treasure at the feet Of Jesus and there was pile of gold and silver on the floor. It was my turn and I reached in my change pocket and threw a few pennies dimes and quarters down on the floor with Him and the angels looking on. I thought I would never stop weeping. The shame was overpowering. If you think you do enough for God, you aren't where I am now.

Many today won't even witness to their own family so as not to start an argument. If you are ashamed of Him, he will be ashamed of you before the Father. This is not a game. It's not an activity. It's a relationship. If you put the Kingdom above all, then you are probably in the right place for Him to take you to the wedding and not be left to face the Beast.

[antidemoncrat]

How about Matthew 24:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Scripture tells us we are NOT the children of Wrath. So when does the wrath start?” <<

The 10 days of the bowls of wrath immediately follow the Day of Trumpets (the gathering of the Bride) which immediately follows the 42 months of Satan’s Tribulation of the Bride.

That is well spelled out in Revelation , and many other places.

We are presently in the 6th seal period. Satan’s wrath has been pouring out for about a year, but it is not yet “great trribulation.”

Satan’s wrath obviously preceeds Yehova’s wrath.
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[editor-surveyor]

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Right on!

Pre-tribbers just erase that verse.
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[Ezekiel]

See all these end-times doctrines? Not one stone will be left upon the other. It's the end-times generation that can't understand the meaning of "this generation". It's too busy buying and selling in its end times temple of merchandise, the foundation stone of which was laid in 1970:

Paperback, 192 pages
Published May 11th 1970 by Zondervan (first published January 1st 1970)

At the top of chapter 1:

We believe whatever we want to believe. Demosthenes, 348 B.C.

Matthew 24

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

"A penetrating look at incredible prophecies involving this generation."

Haman built his own gallows.

I also want to offer a simple and clear message of comfort. Many in the body of Christ are anxious about world events, confused about prophetic timelines, uncertain and afraid. My hope is to present a Scriptural study that the Lord will use to settle the hearts and minds of those who need it.

The Lord will use... to make people aware of the grand irony of the statement.

Simple and clear: The Messiah's appearance has been become so marred that he doesn't even resemble a man. No wonder many are desperate to be raptured out of the whole mess and are vulnerable to believing anything.

Really no different than the government undermining and destroying good order by its own policies, then coming along with... solutions.

[editor-surveyor]

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The gathering of the Bride on the day of Trumpets is exactly what ends Satan’s treibulation of the Bride.

Who else would Satan tribulate?

IT can’t happen until all of the things Paul listed to the Thessalonians have happened, so don’t hold your breath. Those things will begin to happen in the near future. (the “falling away into total apostasy, the revealing of “the man of sin,” etc)

[call meVeronica]

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[Jmouse007]

Thank you for your excellent exegesis and biblical presentation of the truth concerning the pre-tribulation rapture of the church and the biblical distinction between Israel and the church. Simply put; God's Word is crystal clear, Israel is NOT the church, and the church is NOT Israel.

You can expect a virulent response from many on this forum who claim to be Christians against the biblical doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture.

It is nothing short of amazing and tragic how many who call themselves "Christians" literally hate the doctrine of the blessed hope, the rapture of the church (Titus 2:13).

[CGVet58]

bttt

[Boogieman]

“This happens when Jesus descends from heaven to receive the Church in the air, but does not actually return to the earth (1 Thess. 4:16-17).”

Sorry, but those verses say the “dead in Christ” will rise first, and if you compare that to Revelation, this can only refer to the event that is called in that book “the first resurrection”, when the righteous dead are raised, which is clearly placed at the very end of the tribulation, at the same time as Christ’s second coming.

[Jmouse007]

Your logic is flawed; you fail to make the distinction between the persecution and antagonistic wrath of man against Christ and his followers, and the righteous Wrath and indignation of Holy God which will be poured out upon the entire world, against all of making for their sin and willful rejection of The Lord Jesus Christ.

Unbelievers persecuting and killing Christians FOR THEIR FAITH IN CHRIST, has absolutely nothing to do with the Wrath of Almighty God, poured out upon rebellious, unbelieving humanity throughout the 7 years of tribulation because of their rebellious unbelief.

Almighty God doesn't need to "apologize" for anything.

[Boogieman]

God was clear enough about it in Scripture.

However, humans have an amazing capacity to try and interpret statements in completely opposite ways depending on their own personal biases.

[Jmouse007]

Wrong conclusion, read post 52.

[chuckles]

..."My dad has been a fundamentalist, conservative Baptist preacher for 65 years. He says he's a pan millennist, it will all pan out in the end."...

This is a problem with preachers that never grow. 65 years without understanding the Lord's Feast days is terrible. Jesus was a Jew. He lived and died as a Jew. The Jews were given the oracles of God. Israel and the Temple is a copy of what is in Heaven. A Jews know the day no one knows is Trumpets as an American knows "turkey day" is Thanksgiving. A Jew knows "The thief in the night" is the High Priest walking around the Temple checking the watchmen to see if they are asleep. If they are, he sets their garments on fire and they run away naked. The "Last Trump" only happens on Trumpets. The "Great Trump" is on Yom Kippur.

1Th 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 1Th 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

1Th 5:3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

1Th 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

1Th 5:5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.

1Th 5:7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.

1Th 5:8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.

1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Th 5:10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

The writer is saying they have no need to write to you about the times and season,....because they are Jews and know the Feast Days.

Not understanding the Scriptures means you will never understand what Jesus was saying to His people. Everything Jesus said, and therefore His Apostles, was quoting the Old Testament because the New Testament wasn't written yet. Jesus explained the meaning of the Old Testament to His followers. They are NOT separate books, but one Book written by one author, the Holy Spirit.Many Christians today are NEVER exposed to Jewish things and have no idea what Jesus was explaining to them in Scripture.

Anyone can explain the "milk" to a new believer, but eventually they will have questions a trained person will have to answer or their faith will weaken. When you feel you have it all figured out, that's a sign of a problem. Telling that he has 65 years as a conservative Baptist preacher is a sign he probably doesn't speak in tongues and gives short shrift to the Holy Spirit. Being a Baptist, or Catholic, or a Methodist, or a Lutheran, is just a label put on the Traditions of men. The Bible is our anchor and compass. Every answer can be found in Scripture. God has made sure His people have the information they need for every question. If you can't find an answer, either you aren't looking or you don't understand what is being said. Gaining knowledge of the Jewish culture, laws, and traditions explain a lot of what Jesus was telling His people. There is a spiritual language the Holy Spirit uses to explain many things that were hidden from others. Bread, stones, rocks, the Breath of God, Water of Life, and fountains of Living Water, all refer to Jesus. Water is words, so we can have words, Satan has words, and God has words. The war is a war of Words. Satan comes as a Flood. Trees are people. Olive trees are anointed people. Unnamed birds or unclean birds are demons. You have to read the OT to find out what animals are unclean. Beasts of the field are demons. Wolves are Satan or demons. Unnamed women denote churches, religions, or denominations. Virgins are the God's Bride. The widow woman or divorced woman is Israel. I'll leave the Whore of Babylon for another time. "The Assyrian" refers to the Antichrist. There are a hundred more examples of words the Holy Spirit used to give clues to anyone that cares enough to study and not just skim over Scripture.

Genesis 1:14 tells us that God set in the heavens lights to be used for signs( signals) and seasons( Moed or fixed times for the congregation to have a solemn assembly to have a rehearsal. Leviticus 23 explains all of these appointed days that God set up to observe what He is going to do. Christmas and Easter is not mentioned there. Christmas and Easter are mentioned in Ezekiel 8. Verse 14 says the women were weeping for Tammuz. Tammuz was the son of Nimrod,( a type of Antichrist) who was born on Dec 25. In Verse 16, God is showing Ezekiel, priests with their backs toward the Temple worshiping the rising sun for a sunrise service. Jesus was born on Tabernacles and died on Passover, was buried on Unleavened Bread, and rose on First Fruits. Passover and Easter are NOT the same days and Christmas and are months different from Tabernacles. All this came from Rome taking over the church Jesus started. Changing the calendar and changing the Holidays to pagan days keeps Christians confused as to what God is trying to tell His people. Who is the author of confusion?

Today is Rosh Hashanah, or Trumpets. If we knew the Jewish aspects of this day, we would have been praying for the last 30 days for forgiveness of our sins and repenting of them. The whole month of Elul is dedicated to repentance. We are to be watching for this day to come. If you don't know what day it is, how can you be watching? It is absolutely certain that Jesus will come for His bride at the Last Trump, which is on some Feast of Trumpets some day. He won't come on some random day in June or November.

[winodog]

Amen. We await The Blessed Hope. Brother Breaker has some great teachings. Love the one on Israel rejecting the Holy Spirit you mentioned

[RevelationDavid]

He will… If he decides to take this pampered shallow apathetic cowardly lukewarm “church“ out of the very fire that could strengthen.... and turn their apathy into a gold Crown, that can be laid at his feet..

Fellow believer, it’s not my logic is flawed. It may be your blind faith to think that God would have you go Directly to go without going through the fire That Refines.

The disciples left the court… Rejoicing that they had been counted worthy to suffer persecution for the name of the Lord Jesus Christ! Today? The church runs from it.

Prepare yourself fellow believer… Because the wrath of God is coming and his wrath will fall on the just and on the unjust.

Better take another look.

[chuckles]

If Jesus has cut the first seal, then Tribulation starts. By the time you get to the 6th seal, we will have already been in Famine, war, and natural disasters, and economic ruin.( 4 horsemen)

What you are describing is not even close. Tell me when we get to the point worse than WWII and the Nazi's. It's going to be worse than that at a minimum.

Where did I leave my ration stamps? lol

[editor-surveyor]

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The author of post 52 simply misreads, and then blows all logic by not recognizing that there will be 1000 years between the First resurrection which is coming in about 6 years, and the resurrection unto judgement at the end of Yeshua’s 1000 year demonstration of the total depravity of man.

There is no “pre-trib” anything. Nowhere to be found in the Word.
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[LadyDoc]

Millions of Christians had been killed or persecuted on the 20th century under communism and fascism, and thousands are being killed or persecuted now under communism and Islam.

My worry is that American Christians will not be prepared when their time of persecution comes because they will assume they will be raptured.