Posted on 09/10/2018 9:22:16 AM PDT by amessenger4god
I’ve looked into it and, yes, that belief has some merit.
On a somewhat related note: At the end of revelation 21, not all can enter the new Jerusalem. So, what about all that real estate outside of Jerusalem? It appears there will be two classes in that age. Those that may enter the New Jerusalem, and those that may not.
I have to admit that after doing some studying of the Hebrew “olam” and the greek, Aion and its derivatives, I no longer see the time after this age as “eternity”. I see it as a string of ages, just as the “church” age was preceded by ages.
And, at the end of the day, I honestly have to ask, how many ages were there before Genesis 1:3. Could there have been thousands? We don’t know. The bible is silent on it. In the beginning he created the heavens and the earth, and then the six days begin with Genesis 1:3
Is it possible that the earth is like a canvas/garden to God, creating, nurturing, harvesting, and then clearing the surface to do it all over again? And as with a painting with multiple paintings below the surface of the current painting, peel back the paint and you find remnants of the previous painting.
Or dig a hole and find dinosaur bones...
That is the funniest post of the day!
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What is material are all the places where Yeshua tells his sheep about having to tell the “special” believers that he doesn’t know them.
Why?
Because the kept not the Father’s Commandments. (Matt 7:21-23 for example)
The commandments are eternal, as he plainly stated at great length in Matthew 5, so what makes these fools think they got “Hung of the Cross?”
Simply not grasping the message of Matthew 23:
Do what Moses said, do not do what the Pharisees said for they say and do not.
Phariseeism in all of its forms, including “christianity” is what got hung on the cross.
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>> “If the Father does indeed take the ‘church’ out pre-trib....He owes a huge apology to the brothers and sisters who are dying NOW by the thousands for THEIR Faith.” <<
Correctamundo!
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>> “compared to living for Christ every day.” <<
Did you mean “Living as he lived,” like John told us in his first epistle? That is believing in him!
You would expect a Christian to be less of a pompous ass when arguing for their side of an issue...Maybe take a breath.
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things Ro 14:1 and following
interestingly the one who is weak in the faith thinks they are right and therefore entitled to judge the one who is stronger. A Christian paradox...Weak faith masquerading as strong.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Lots of detail in that work. Good job. FYI - I think the dead in christ are already rising. Have been for years. Just my opinion on where we might be in that timeline.
Check out the “6th Seal” in Revelation. That is where we are presently.
Grab your unbelieving brother and shake him.
Its eternity that he is losing.
You're not weak in the faith, it appears that you are rejecting the faith that is presented in the word if you think you can call any of this “doubtful.”
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In a twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trump?
Much more reading is in order!
The Transfiguration was the glorification of the human body of Jesus. On this occasion His body underwent a change in form, a metamorphosis, so that it shone as brightly as the sun. At the time of the Transfiguration, Jesus’ earthly ministry was coming to a close. He had acknowledged that He was the Messiah and predicted His death and resurrection. Now He was to reveal, to a select few, His divine glory.
The Bible gives this account:
Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother brought them up on a high mountain by themselves, and was transfigured before them. his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with him . . . A bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear him!’ And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. But Jesus came and touched them and said, ‘Arise, and do not be afraid.’ And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only (Matthew 17:1-3,5-8).
Jesus told Peter, James, and John not to tell anyone about this until after He had risen from the dead.
Years Later Peter Recalled The Event
Some years later Simon Peter would write of this event:
For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to him from the excellent glory: ‘This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.’ And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain (2 Peter 1:16-18).
Jesus Is The Son Of God
The Transfiguration provides further evidence that Jesus was the divine Son of God. It is not coincidental that this happened soon after Jesus had acknowledged Himself to be the Christ, the one who left heaven’s glory to come to earth. Now three of His disciples were to get a glimpse of that glory.
The appearance of Moses and Elijah with Jesus is highly significant. The name Moses was equated with the Old Testament law that God had given to the people. Jesus came and fulfilled the commandments of the law and did the things the law could not do, that is, to provide an answer for the problem of sin. The law pointed out the problem; Jesus gave the solution.
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ (John 1:17).
Elijah was an outstanding figure in the Old Testament. He was a great prophet and his appearance with Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration testified that Jesus fulfilled the prophets, as well as the law.
The voice of God the Father gave further confirmation of the calling and Sonship of Jesus. He acknowledged that Jesus had pleased Him in the things He had said and done.
It Represented His Coming Kingdom
The Transfiguration scene of Jesus is a representation of His coming kingdom in its fullness. Jesus Himself said to His disciples.
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom (Matthew 16:28).
The Transfiguration occurred with Jesus and three of His disciples - Peter, James, and John. Moses and Elijah miraculously appeared with Jesus. At the foot of the mountain were the remainder of Jesus’ disciples and the multitudes.
When one considers the various individuals and groups involved, it paints a marvelous picture of Jesus’ coming kingdom.
Jesus Himself
First, there is the Lord Jesus in His glorified body.
There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light (Matthew 17:2)
He will rule in His coming kingdom in His glorified body.
Moses
Moses, in his glorified body, represented the saved that will enter God’s kingdom through death.
Elijah
Elijah never died. He represents those believers who enter the kingdom of God by the translation or the rapture of the church.
I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality (1 Corinthians 15:50-53).
Jesus’ Disciples
Peter, James, and John in their natural bodies depict those Jewish believers who will enter the coming kingdom.
The Various Nations That Will Make Up The Kingdom
The multitude of people, left at the base of the mountain, represent the various nations who will enter the kingdom of God in their natural or non-glorified bodies.
In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious. In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth (Isaiah 11:10-12).
Summary
The Transfiguration is significant because it was the glorification of the body of Jesus. Those with Him saw Jesus in His glory. The appearance of Moses and Elijah testified that Jesus was the one of whom the law and prophets spoke. The approving testimony of God the Father further confirmed the identity of Jesus.
In the Transfiguration of Jesus we have the various elements of the coming kingdom represented. There is the glorified King, those who will come into the kingdom through death, those who will come into the kingdom through the transformation of their bodies at the rapture of the church, those Jewish believers who will enter into the millennial reign of Christ in their earthly bodies, as well as the people from the various nations who will also enter into the millennium in non-glorified bodies.
Since the fall of humanity, with Adam and Eve, the normal experience for each human has been death. The writer to the Hebrews stated.
And just as it is appointed for humans to die once, and after that the judgment (Hebrews 9:27).
As we read through the pages of the Old Testament, we find this truth emphasized. There were, however, two exceptions to this rule - Enoch and Elijah. Neither of these men died. The Bible says of them.
Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away (Genesis 5:24).
As they continued walking and talking, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them, and Elijah ascended in a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11).
A Mystery Revealed
Not only are Enoch and Elijah the exception to the rule about death, the New Testament reveals to us something that had not been foretold - there will be a generation of people who will never die.
Rapture Of The Church
Before Christ returns to earth there will be an event known as the “rapture,” or “translation” of the church. The Scripture explains it in the following manner.
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who have died, so that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have died. For this we declare to you by the Word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will by no means precede those who have died. For the Lord Himself, with a shout, with the archangel’s call and with the sound of God’s trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).
Another explanation is given in First Corinthians.
Listen, I will tell you a mystery! We will not all die, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When this perishable body puts on imperishability, and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will be fulfilled: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved, be steadfast, immovable, always excelling in the work of the Lord, because you know that in the Lord your labor is not in vain (1 Corinthians 15:51-58).
Observations
From these passages we can make the following observations.
1. Not Everyone Will Die
Although death has been the norm for humanity, the Old Testament recorded two prominent exceptions - Enoch and Elijah. The New Testament also says that a living generation of Christians will not experience death, but will be taken up to meet the Lord.
2. No Need Of Resurrection
Those believers who are living at the time of the rapture, or translation, of the church, will not have to be resurrected. They will be changed, while they are alive, from mortal to immortal, from corruptible to incorruptible.
3. Meet Christ
Those who are instantaneously changed at the time of the rapture of the church will be with Christ forever in their glorified body.
Summary
The resurrection from the dead will be what most believers experience. A small number in comparison will not die but will be changed as was the case with the Old Testament characters Enoch and Elijah. This event is known as the “rapture” or “translation” of the church.
It is sold like fire insurance by many churches. Always has been. Or, better yet, like frequent flier miles to be taken on your trip. I suggest we don’t wait for Messiah to gather us up, but we prepare the way for his coming. Don’t look up in the clouds, search your heart and let him in. Entire lives have been wasted by “waiting” for his return.
Nope. First a trickle. Then a hose. Just sit down a minute and do the math. Thats a lot of souls.
Why would Jesus tell us to be ready; if there were something that had to happen first before He appears to His own in the clouds?
Luke 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man comes at an hour when ye think not.
And why would Paul exhort Titus to “look” for the appearing of Christ if His appearance was not an event which could happen at any moment. Paul, the other Apostles, and the early church expected Christ return could happen at any moment — why should we not believe that?
Titus 2:12-13
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
In a word: Darby.
Long Article,,,
For later.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Paul thought he was going to be in on the rapture, ( that is if we think Paul was describing a literal live body going up in the air).
And every generation since the protestant reformation has thought they were the chosen ones to be in on the rapture.
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