Posted on 09/10/2018 9:22:16 AM PDT by amessenger4god
I guess that’s my point.
Love each other is a pretty clear message.
The other prophesy is kind of like a glass darkly.
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>> “If he decides to take this pampered shallow apathetic cowardly lukewarm “church“ out of the very fire that could strengthen.” <<
What “Church?”
There is no “New Testament Church” mentioned anywhere in scripture.
Its a confusion based on reading Greek translations that conflate Yehova’s Kehillah which began at creation, and the local ekklesia.
Yeshua did not create any church, he expanded his already existing Kehillah.
Many foolishly believe that sitting in an Ekklesia makes them part of the Kehillah.
There will be gnashing of teeth.
Not a good idea predicting what the day nor hour we know...because we don’t know.
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Many here have darkened the wrong side of their glass!
So, when you see nothing, it must be ok to make up stuff!
Its all spelled out so well, but if you’re looking for a get-out-of-hot-stuff-free card, and nothing else the glass is very dark indeed.
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Absolute nonsense!
We are told what to look for, and exactly when to look.
Misreading Hebrew tradion as a prohibition is deadly.
According to Revelation, the first resurrection closes out this age, while beginning the next, the millennial kingdom.
It is impossible to make this event (the first resurrection, Rev. 20, when the post-trib rapture takes place) be a pretrib rapture.
The tribulation is defined by its persecution of those who do not worship the beast, neither his image, neither receive his mark. Rev. 20:4 says it them “who had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark,” who are raised in the first resurrection.
Clearly, Revelation has FIRST the tribulation, with its beast, and his image and mark. THEN the resurrection.
“Wheresoever the resurrection is, there will the rapture be also.”
The first resurrection is the “nexus” event, which, in one event, closes out this age while beginning the next - the millennial kingdom.
....”Israel is NOT the church, and the church is NOT Israel”.....
We are one....He has grafted us into the vine as ‘believers’ making us ‘One Body’ in Christ..... Both Jew And Gentile who are one for those who believe.
Left out the word “is” in this paragraph -
The tribulation is defined by its persecution of those who do not worship the beast, neither his image, neither receive his mark. Rev. 20:4 says it is them “who had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark,” who are raised in the first resurrection.
For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him.
Thank you for sharing God’s word.
AMEN!
And let us consider how to spur one another on to love and good deeds. Let us not neglect meeting together, as some have made a habit, but let us encourage one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching. (Hebrews 10:24,25)
Agreed! All throughout Scripture we are told to "be ready" because we don't know WHEN we will be taken up. Rather than this doctrine teaching a laziness or sitting-around-waiting thinking, we are told repeatedly to redeem the time, to be watchful, to be always ready to speak the truth of the gospel and to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together. Paul even castigated those who did lay about waiting for the Rapture and expecting other Christians to feed them: "If a man doesn't work, he shouldn't eat." (II Thess. 3:10). It may happen in my lifetime, it may not, but that doesn't mean the doctrine is not Biblically sound. I will patiently await His return and redeem my time to bring souls to Christ and glory to His name.
Well said. One always has to consider the source and adjust accordingly. In some cases dialogue is pointless.
“It is impossible to make this event (the first resurrection, Rev. 20, when the post-trib rapture takes place) be a pretrib rapture.”
Yep. Like just about every set of verses on the subject, it portrays the tribulation, and the resurrection and second coming together and in the proper sequence. If you notice, most of the pre-trib advocates will only cite a single verse or two in support of their positions, but if you look up those references and read a few verses ahead or behind, it is clear that they cannot support that kind of chronology if read in context.
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>> “.”Israel is NOT the church, and the church is NOT Israel” <<
The source of your confusion is simple:
There is no “church.”
Israel is the Kehillah. Kehillah got mistranslated when the Hebrew NT writings were translated to Greek. The Greek language has no word for Kehillah so they used Ekklesia, which is a reasonable translation for the individual congregations in the Synagogues, but the kehillah is all of Yehova’s remnant from the beginning.
Yeshua didn’t say he was founding anything. He said he would build (expand) his already existing Kehillah, which definitely is true Israel.
It was in Moses’ time, and it is today.
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>> “If you notice, most of the pre-trib advocates will only cite a single verse or two in support of their positions” <<
Actually its only a portion of a verse.
And the great falling away into apostasy they convert into being the “Rapture.”
That’s some kind of magic!
Jesus himself tells us he will transform people, catch them up, or rapture them AT the Last Trump. That means the 7th which is not pre-Trib at all.
This article confuses the mid-trib rapture position with the pre-wrath rapture position.
To follow the exegetical argument of pre-wrath, you must identify the distinctions between Daniel’s seventieth week, The Great Tribulation, and The Day of the Lord.
I may not have time for an extended discussion on all of the related issues here, but I would like to point out that an explicit description of the rapture does not exist in the book of Revelation.
In fact, the resurrection of the righteous which is described at the end only mentions those included in this “first resurrection” as those who were beheaded under the reign of terror by the anti-Christ.
The book seems unusually silent about the remainder of the righteous dead who will be raised in their own timing / order, as well as anyone being snatched up (righteous or wicked).
I believe this is so because God did not want it to be easy to discover the answers to the questions being debated on this thread.
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