Posted on 09/10/2018 9:22:16 AM PDT by amessenger4god
And of course, all of those theologians who’ve spent their entire years studying this and coming to different conclusions are dismissed with one long post. Glad you’re on top of things and they weren’t.
There is no tribulation of the bride...The tribulation is for punishment to the world which has persecuted Israel for 6000 years...
The tribulation is not about the church...The Gentile church was configured to make Israel jealous...When that is completed, God takes the church out of the way so he can deal with Israel once again...
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>> “There is no tribulation of the bride...The tribulation is for punishment to the world...” <<
No, absolutely not!
You are conflating Satan’s tribulation (42 months) of the Bride with the 10 days of the bowl judgements that Yehova pours out on the world AFTER the Gathering of the Bride.
The Bride will be protected from Satan’s wrath, but not taken out, just as Noah was protected and taken thouugh the flood.
The majority who think they are part of the Bride, will find out that they are not. A read of Matthew 24 is in order.
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>> “The tribulation is not about the church...” <<
Nothing is about “the church,” there is no NT church. That is a creation of men.
Israel, the Kehillah, His remnant through all of human history, is all there is. That is what he said he would “build” (expand).
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The verse in Thessalonians is pretty clear. Pre and Post has been an ongoing debate.
I’ve always believed in ‘pre’, for the following reasons:
1. Selfish, I don’t want to live through the Tribulation
2. Not God’s style. God’s style was to make the playing field more than fair for his enemies, then triumph over them anyway. The logic in taking every single believer off the planet, and then putting the rest through tribulation, and coming out the other side with a Church sufficient to destroy Satan through a man’s hand? To me that makes sense.
Not a shred of Biblical underpinning to any of this, but it is an observation of how God has worked with us in the past.
Flame suit donned.
That would be true, if it was true...
Your problem is that you reject the New Testament Scriptures...We don't...We know that when God in the flesh showed up to redeem his people, they not only rejected him again but killed him...
And then God says, 'you idiots!!! I'll show you'...
God then blinded them to his Messiah and let them live a life of sin and misery while raising up the Apostle Paul to give what he promised them to the heathen...
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No,your problem is that you accept the “inherited lies wherein there is no profit” that twist the NT back against itself.
You have joined the “Mystery of Iniquity”
Just read and re-read Matthew 7:21-23 until it sinks in. If you do not love his “Perfect Law ofLiberty,” he doesn’t ‘know’ you.
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I see no evidence you understand the Law of Liberty...
Traditionally is right. It's not a biblical timeframe and thus not a Godly time frame. This is what the bible says:
Lev 23:23 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, Leviticus 23:24 "Speak to the children of Israel, saying: 'In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.
Leviticus 23:25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.'
IF one were to go by tradition then NOBODY ever knew when the feast of trumpets was around the world until modern times and instant communication. Get more than a 100 miles from Israel without modern communication and nobody would ever know when the feast of trumpets was.
And as Paul clearly stated in Romans:
Not hearers of the law will be justified, but doers of the law.
Or as he put it in Hebrews 4:
[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it..
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Obviously what Moses preached was the gospel that the apostles preached.
What could that have been?
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>> “Get more than a 100 miles from Israel without modern communication and nobody would ever know when the feast of trumpets was.” <<
Not exactly true.
They built signal fires in preparation, and lit them when they saw the nearest fire in the distance, and this was done for hundreds of miles after the Maccabee revolt ran the Helenists back to Turkey.
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Well the point is still made. Without modern communication nobody except in the immediate area would know when the feast of trumpets started. That's why God put it in the bible and didn't depend on Jewish tradition.
I didn't think you knew what the Law of Liberty is...There is no liberty in the Torah...Liberty is freedom...The Torah is bondage...
Christians have become free of the bondage of the Torah...
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Before faith came we are were justified by the law (works)(Rom; 2:13)...
But now, after faith came:
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
This stuff is pretty easy to find in the scriptures but I guess the hard part is believing it, ain't it???
We learned from the law to know to how to please God (ie. love God, love your neighbor) but we are not under its bondage...
Now, what about the law of liberty???
Gal_5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
We can wear shorts to church and eat a ham sandwich afterward and then go work on the loud muffler on the car...Every day of the week...That is the law of liberty...
And as James says, if we combine that liberty with good works for (not us) God, we will receive blessings...
Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
THIS, the Torah is NOT the law of liberty:
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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Your post shows your blindness to the word, fortified by the inherited lies.
Torah is our sole source of liberty.
The bondage is as Yeshua declared throughout his ministry, The false Law of Takanot and Ma’assim of the pharisees.
The burden that could not be born.
Learn, or prepare your teeth for gnashing!
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I believe in pre-Trib rapture, but it has never been a case of being “CHOSEN ONES to be in on the rapture.
But every one to their own belief.
“I believe our spirits will be taken up after we die, i think that is the rapture Paul was talking about”
Me, too. The Christians’ spirits are taken at the exact moment of death. (Absent from the body ... present with the Lord.) Bodies rise moments before the Rapture when the living saved on earth are taken up.
Bodies rise moments before the Rapture when the living saved on earth are taken up.
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