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[Catholic Caucus] RIP, Vatican II Catholicism (1962-2018)
One Peter Five ^ | October 9, 2018 | Peter Kwasniewski

Posted on 10/09/2018 4:09:28 PM PDT by ebb tide

RIP, Vatican II Catholicism (1962-2018)

Among astute observers of the Vatican scene – okay, forget that; among warm bodies with evidence of consciousness – it has been known for several years now that we cannot expect Pope Francis, who is a major cause of the problems the Church is suffering under, to be a major part of those problems’ solution. This includes anything to do with clerical sex abuse and the death grip of progressive prelates. Each passing month, we see that it’s business as usual for the Peronist pontiff.

But, as many writers have pointed out, this pontificate has been, in spite of all the evils, a tremendous gift of Divine Providence to us. Yes, we can truly say this. For Francis has brought to a clarity past any reasonable (or unreasonable) doubt, one might even say has amplified to fever pitch, the utter bankruptcy of “Vatican II Catholicism,” with its lightweight liturgy; its unserious opposition to the world, the flesh, and the devil; and its continual compromise with the reigning forces of liberalism.

Everyone knows what I am talking about. I was once one of those Talmudic scholars who attempted to square every circle in the sixteen documents of the Council. I praised their textual orthodoxy and lamented their neglect or distortion at the hands of hijackers. I knew that the loyal Catholic mentality always began its sentences “if only…”: “If only the new liturgy were properly celebrated…”; “If only the new catechism were widely taught…”; “If only people everywhere could just follow the lead of the great Polish pope” (and later, “the great German pope”).

That’s where I used to live. I have since moved on to a bigger and more beautiful dwelling called traditional Catholicism. I was tired of living in the newly built, supposedly more energy-efficient and environmentally sound but in reality flimsy, drafty, fluorescent, insect-infested, falling-apart building produced by the only ecumenical council that made no solemn definitions and issued no solemn condemnations. I came to see, thanks to detailed studies by such authors as Wiltgen, Davies, Amerio, Ferrara, de Mattei, and Sire, that the hijackers were not the ones after the Council, but the ones inside the Council who cleverly steered it toward the progressivism and modernism they secretly longed for, deliberately planting “time bombs” throughout the documents – ambiguous phrases that could be turned this way or that, and which were turned this way and that in the neverending turf war between liberals and “conservatives” of every stripe, at every level.

I came to see that the problem was the new liturgy – not just in the obviously bad manner in which it was being “celebrated” throughout the world, but in and of itself, in its official books, their texts, their rubrics. The new Catechism, too, in its diffuse verbosity and its glossing over difficult points like the headship of the husband in marriage, was not the magic solution; indeed, it was recently demoted to the status of reflecting pool for the reigning Narcissus, which gives it about as much value as an airplane interview. Above all, I came to see that “just following the pope” wheresoever he may go, on land or sea or sky, is not only not the solution, but a large part of the problem.

And what is that problem? The eclipse, in our times, of any coherent idea of what Catholicism is, has been, and will always be – the willed eclipse, since “men loved darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil” (Jn. 3:19).

The liturgy we were given by Paul VI, courtesy of Archbishop Bugnini and his all-star Consilium, is indeed a lightweight liturgy that cannot sustain the weight of God’s glory or meet the weighty needs of the human soul. Many know nothing else, and their plight reminds me of the black and white photos of long lines of people in Soviet Russia waiting for their crust of bread. This is not what the liturgy of the Church has offered to her people in ages past: it offered them a royal banquet, a king’s delight, a glimpse of heaven, fellowship with the saints and angels. I’m not saying preconciliar liturgy was always perfect, for we know it wasn’t, but the rites of the Church possessed in themselves the density and beauty that made a rich liturgical life always possible and frequently attainable.  Catholics today who have gone back to the traditional liturgy often come away with amazement: “They took that away from us?!” Yes, they did: this incomparable school of prayer, this inflexible staff to support our weakness, this comforting beauty to lure our earthbound souls into heaven – this was taken away, and those who did it knew exactly what they were doing, and why.

Earlier I spoke of “unserious opposition to the world, the flesh, and the devil.” This is the mark of postconciliar Catholicism. Oppose the world? No, we have to dialogue with it, understand it, sympathize with it, come to terms with it, make common cause with it, recycle its garbage and adopt its slogans. Out went all the ancient prayers of the Mass that spoke of spiritual warfare, the deceits of the evil one, the need for ascetical violence against our fallen nature. Everything was smoothed over in recognition of the goodness of everything and everyone (if only they knew it).

Heavy-duty exorcisms were stripped out of the baptismal rite, where they had been since apostolic times, because of the revealed truth that mankind after the Fall is under Satan’s princedom and the citizens of heaven have to be torn away from his influence. Days of fasting and abstinence were canceled out left and right; instead of renewing ancient tradition (as the talking heads claimed), it was ignored or shrugged off as superstitious. The only direction was downhill: dispensing, simplifying, abbreviating, abolishing.

As for self-control, the sexual morality of the Christian people worldwide, above all in the West, from which the conciliar documents and reforms emanated, is at an all-time nadir – not only because of the unforeseen intensity of the anti-authoritarian revolution of 1968, but even more because of a fundamental loss of faith in the salvific truth and liberating power of God’s commandments.

Today, in 2018, we are reaping the putrid fruits of this loss of faith, this lack of self-control, this stripping away of all asceticism and warfare from the Christian vision of life, this foolish optimism that rippled through the Church of the 1960s and begot the demon offspring of “Nietzschean Catholicism.” It has been a continual compromise with the reigning forces of liberalism, a chipping away at the demands of the Gospel, a suppression of hard truths and the love of God for His own sake and above all things. The end is nothing-worship—the nihilism concentrated in the unforgettable image of a priest, later a cardinal of the Holy Roman Church, abusing a boy who happened to be the first person he baptized two weeks after his ordination.

For a long time, I thought John Paul II and Benedict XVI were fighting the good fight against this revolutionary reinterpretation of Christianity, but after a few high-profile interreligious meetings, osculations of the Koran, book-length interviews with dialectical answers to every question, and other such indicators, I lost my enthusiasm for them as pastors, whatever I might have admired in their philosophical or theological writings (which, however you slice it, are not the primary job of a pope). It was a shock to the system to realize that these popes, though undoubtedly well intentioned, were swimming in a lake of Kool-Aid rather than the ocean of Tradition – the only difference being that they were strong enough to keep swimming and occasionally cry out to heaven for help, instead of drowning and sinking to the bottom like a millstone with a cardinal tied around its neck.

The last five years are not a sudden catastrophe that came from nowhere; they are the orange juice concentrate of the past fifty years, the last act in a tragedy that has been escalating to this point. Bergoglio is the distillation of all the worst tendencies in Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyła, and Ratzinger, without any of their redeeming qualities. Francis’s predecessors were conflicted and inconsistent progressives; he is a convicted modernist. Just as political conservatism is liberalism in slow motion, so postconciliar Catholicism is modernism in slow motion. The sooner people see this, the sooner they will reject the whole failed and torturous experiment of aggiornamento in favor of an unequivocal embrace of the Catholic Faith in its age-old and perennially youthful liturgy, its magnificently harmonious and comprehensive doctrine, its all-demanding, life-saving morals.

Let us not forget that John Paul II and Benedict XVI were both involved in the Assisi meetings; that they never questioned the rightness of the “razing of the bastions,” the “turn toward the world” and the embrace of modernity that was the hallmark of Vatican II; that they encouraged feminism with one hand [1] while trying to restrain it with the other; and that, above all, they appointed and promoted so many of the terrible bishops and cardinals under whom we are suffering today, as this chart shows:

Prelate Created Bishop By Created Cardinal By
Theodore McCarrick Paul VI John Paul II
Angelo Sodano Paul VI John Paul II
Tarcisio Bertone John Paul II John Paul II
Pietro Parolin Benedict XVI Francis
William Levada John Paul II Benedict XVI
Marc Ouellet John Paul II John Paul II
Lorenzo Baldisseri John Paul II Francis
Ilson de Jesus Montanari Francis
Leonardo Sandri John Paul II Benedict XVI
Fernando Filoni John Paul II Benedict XVI
Dominique Mamberti John Paul II Francis
Francesco Coccopalmerio John Paul II Benedict XVI
Giovanni Lajolo John Paul II Benedict XVI
Vincenzo Paglia John Paul II
Edwin O’Brien John Paul II Benedict XVI
Renato Raffaele Martino John Paul II John Paul II
Donald Wuerl John Paul II Benedict XVI
Paul Bootkoski John Paul II
John Myers John Paul II
Kevin Farrell John Paul II Francis
Seán O’Malley John Paul II Benedict XVI
Oscar Rodríguez Maradiaga John Paul II John Paul II
Blase Cupich John Paul II Francis
Joseph Tobin Benedict XVI Francis
Robert McElroy Benedict XVI
Edgar Peña Parra Benedict XVI
John Nienstedt John Paul II
Jorge Bergoglio John Paul II John Paul II

(Source: Unam Sanctam)

It is not all Francis’s fault; indeed, he is grimly reaping what they have sown, even while he is tearing down much of what they built. In the end, there are only two reasons we had a conclave of cardinals who voted for Bergoglio: Wojtyła and Ratzinger. More generally, they are the reason we have a worldwide episcopacy made up of a tiny minority of traditional bishops (by which I mean bishops who believe, preach, teach, and enforce the Catholic Faith as taught, inter alia, by the Council of Trent) and a huge majority of ferocious liberals, toothless conservatives, and pencil-pushing bureaucrats. If John Paul II had spent less time globetrotting and writing massive, dense, and now mostly forgotten encyclicals (with Veritatis Splendor as the glowing exception) and more time on his single most important duty, that of vetting and choosing bishops of proven doctrinal orthodoxy, moral probity, and commitment to the sacred liturgy, men without the slightest hint of liberalism or laxity, the Church might be in a dramatically different place today. The same could be said of the beloved but largely ineffectual professor-turned-pontiff Benedict XVI. That he had a retiring personality turned from a forgivable quirk into a nightmare on February 11, 2013.

These two popes also knew – as we now see in ever greater detail – about wicked behavior in high places and seldom took decisive and severe measures to uproot it. Bergoglio celebrates unnatural vice, and his predecessors tolerated it. Bergoglio shamelessly promotes those enemies of Catholicism whom his predecessors were too afraid to fight.

*          *          *

Can we say, at last, that practicing and believing Catholics generally have been awakened from their dogmatic slumber?

Would that it were so. Alas, the capacity of the human mind to ignore reality even when it is crashing around one’s head is all too real, and the capacity for ideology to blind the eye and deafen the ear is no less notorious. But for those with eyes open to seeing and ears open to hearing, the truth has emerged into broad daylight: the Catholic Faith as our forefathers believed and lived it, the Catholic Faith as a vast cloud of witnesses knew it and loved it, this Catholic Faith is something utterly different from what is being peddled by the Vatican today. What the new regime offers is ephemeral, fragile, and self-contradictory, held together only by force.

The alternative is equally clear: the complex but internally consistent religion taught by the Fathers and Doctors of the Church; savored by monks and mystics; authoritatively proclaimed by the great councils; unanimously codified in hundreds of catechisms; and, above all, luminously, exultantly embodied in the great liturgical rites of East and West, the common heritage of all orthodox Christians who worship the thrice-holy Trinity in an unbroken tradition.

This, this is Catholicism. Nothing else. Do not look for it where it cannot be found. Do not strain or break your neck trying to find a way to look at the novelties as if they were tradition, for it cannot be done. Do not strain the gnats while swallowing the camels. Hearken again to the one true Faith that missionized the globe in the Old Evangelization.

What will it take to free every last Catholic from the last illusions about the supposed “new springtime” of Vatican II? I do not know. It may be that only death will rescue some from the jealous clutches of the new paradigm, but there are certainly many signs that the charm – or perhaps more accurately, the mirage – is vanishing as many find their way back to the divine religion of Christ.

The Vatican II period that officially began in 1962 officially ended with l’affaire McCarrick and Viganògate in 2018. Fifty-six years of alternately riotous and lazy living gave heart disease to this human similitude of the Church, and it died from sudden cardiac arrest. Let us bury it in unconsecrated ground, with the fond wish that it may rest in the silence of the tomb and never rise.

 


[1] For example, by ensuring that the Catechism contained no reference to the headship of the husband, in spite of the fact that this is taught more frequently in the New Testament than many other doctrines of our faith, and by approving the use of female altar servers, and or by continuing the custom of female lectors at Mass, contrary to 2,000 years of universal tradition in churches of apostolic descent.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: modernism; vcii
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To: NorthMountain

What you suggest is that the Catholic Faith created these heretics. That is heretical.


61 posted on 10/10/2018 3:35:14 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
I have stated true facts.

Truth is never heretical.

62 posted on 10/10/2018 3:36:47 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
"Traditional Catholicism" is the Catholic Faith. Let's see how your quote looks when it is substituted for the "Catholic Faith":

No, I seem to be suggesting that "the Catholic Faith" was the environment in which a great many sodomites, heretics, and infidels grew up, developed, and spread their errors ... ultimately producing Vatican II. "The Catholic Faith" educated and formed these men; "The Catholic Faith" ordained them; "The Catholic Faith" raised them to positions of influence, authority and power. Even when "The Catholic Faith" moved against a very few of them, it did so utterly without effect. These facts are undeniable.

Not Truth. Heresy.

63 posted on 10/10/2018 3:43:16 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

Refrain from putting words in my keyboard. It’s fundamentally dishonest.


64 posted on 10/10/2018 5:47:53 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

And yet you do not deny that Traditional Catholicism equals The Catholic Faith. Why?


65 posted on 10/10/2018 5:51:12 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
Why do you deny that the malefactors (sodomites, heretics, infidels) at Vatican II were educated, formed as priests, and developed their errors in an environment of "The Catholic Faith"? It's manifestly true that they did.

Why do you deny that they were ordained as priests in "The Catholic Faith"? It's manifestly true that they were.

Why do you deny that they were raised to positions of influence, authority, and power in "The Catholic Faith" by others who already had such positions in "The Catholic Faith". It's manifestly true that they were.

Why do you deny that "The Catholic Faith" failed to move effectively against them? It is manifestly true that NOTHING moved effectively against them.

You can cry "heretic" at me if you like, but I stand with the facts and with the truth.

Vatican II did not happen in a vacuum.

Study history. Learn from it. Or be doomed to repeat it.

66 posted on 10/10/2018 6:18:09 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

>>Every priest, bishop, cardinal at the Second Vatican Council was raised, educated and ordained in “Traditional Catholicism”. Every sister, brother, priest, bishop, cardinal in the first generation of implementing the “Spirit of Vatican II” was raised, educated, and ordained (or took vows) in “Traditional Catholicism”.<<

This statement could be entirely true but it completely obfuscates the reality that those who orchestrated the radical changes of the Council that have damn near destroyed the Church and made it the most prominent institution of ridicule in the modern world WERE and ARE the very people you’re attempting to defend.


67 posted on 10/10/2018 6:27:07 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (DJT - Most courageous POTUS since Gen. Washington)
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To: NorthMountain

Did it ever dawn on you that many of these men were not manifest heretics, but occult heretics? You sure are quick to condemn the Faith they were raised in, ordained in, etc. Do you really think these sneaky Modernists moved about so that their true intentions were manifestly known? Have you ever read how Pius X describes these crafty fellows?

For decades the true Catholics have been sounding the alarms. Instead of joining them in the Crusade against the enemies of the Church others label them schismatics or heretics (and still do). Forgive me if I can’t take your “coulda woulda shouldas” too seriously.


68 posted on 10/10/2018 6:34:34 PM PDT by piusv
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To: NorthMountain

>> Name for me all the priests, bishops, and cardinals who participated in the Second Vatican Council who were NOT raised, educated, and ordained in “Traditional Catholicism”. Think about it before you respond. After you give me that lengthy list of names, we can proceed with our discussion.<<

Once again your argument is irrelevant for the simple reason that it is totally beside the point, which point is that those who controlled the machinations of the Council with the goal of “modernizing” the Church, while at the same time foolishly attempting to conform its ecclesiology to liberal Prostestantism, have reduced the Church to a hideous charicature of its pre-Vatican II self.


69 posted on 10/10/2018 6:46:27 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (DJT - Most courageous POTUS since Gen. Washington)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
WERE and ARE the very people you’re attempting to defend.

Do not slander me. Read what I wrote. Do not read your prejudices into what I wrote.

70 posted on 10/11/2018 6:24:51 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: piusv
Are you finally admitting that "Traditional Catholicism" provided a breeding ground for sodomites, heretics, and infidels? Are you finally admitting that "Traditional Catholicism" failed to move effectively against sodomites, heretics, and infidels?

If "Traditional Catholicism" is to be survive, it must learn from the mistakes of the past. It must do a MUCH better job of identifying and defenestrating those whom you call "occult heretics".

71 posted on 10/11/2018 6:28:20 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

>> Do not slander me. Read what I wrote. Do not read your prejudices into what I wrote.<<

Were you or were you not attempting to mount a defense of the cretins at VC-II whose goal was the destruction of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church established by Jesus Christ Himself? Yes or No? I think you were, and now you’re disgruntled because you got called on it.


72 posted on 10/11/2018 6:57:17 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (DJT - Most courageous POTUS since Gen. Washington)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
Were you or were you not attempting to mount a defense of the cretins at VC-II

Read what I wrote. Read ALL of what I wrote.

No sane person of good will can POSSIBLY infer a "defense of the cretins at VC-II" from what I wrote.

Your next post to me will be an apology.

73 posted on 10/11/2018 7:00:33 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; NorthMountain

I suspect that North Mountain is not a Traditional Catholic at all as evidenced by his placing blame on the Catholic Faith ( “Traditional Catholicism”) rather than where it belongs: on Modernism.


74 posted on 10/11/2018 7:07:49 AM PDT by piusv
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To: NorthMountain

>> Your next post to me will be an apology.<<

Okay, if I misconstrued what you meant to say in your initial post, I do apologize. I admittedly tend to skim through posts that run to several lengthy paragraphs. So if you don’t mind, in few sentences, explain for me the main point you were making.


75 posted on 10/11/2018 7:14:30 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (DJT - Most courageous POTUS since Gen. Washington)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

I have explained, already, in great detail, on this thread. Please read it.


76 posted on 10/11/2018 8:17:18 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

>>I have explained, already, in great detail, on this thread. Please read it.<<

Way too much detail. Please summarize in a sentence or two the three or four main points that you rambled on about in you initial post. In other words, stop beating around the bush and tell us succinctly what your main points are. All that verbiage smacks of obfuscation. Spit it out old boy, what are you trying to tell us.


77 posted on 10/11/2018 10:23:35 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (DJT - Most courageous POTUS since Gen. Washington)
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To: piusv

>>I suspect that North Mountain is not a Traditional Catholic at all as evidenced by his placing blame on the Catholic Faith (“Traditional Catholicism”) rather than where it belongs: on Modernism.<<

Well and truly said. I’ve posted to him several times asking him to clarify what he’s attempting to tell us. He refuses to do so. Apparently he’s accusing traditional Catholicism of being responsible for the VC-II debacle to persuade us that a return to pre-Vatican II ecclesiology would accomplish nothing.


78 posted on 10/11/2018 10:52:47 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (DJT - Most courageous POTUS since Gen. Washington)
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