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[Catholic Caucus] Why We Need Not (and Should Not) Call Paul VI ‘Saint’
One Peter Five ^ | October 12, 2018 | Peter Kwasniewski

Posted on 10/13/2018 3:42:33 PM PDT by ebb tide

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1 posted on 10/13/2018 3:42:33 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; Biggirl; Bigg Red; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; heterosupremacist; ...

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2 posted on 10/13/2018 3:43:13 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Bookmark.

I’ve heard some things like this myself but don’t want to be one to criticize. I don’t have the knowledge.


3 posted on 10/13/2018 3:46:35 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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Paul VI Beatified?
4 posted on 10/13/2018 3:59:13 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Thanks. I will read it.


5 posted on 10/13/2018 4:09:41 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: ebb tide

Central Standard Time, 7:00 PM EWTN,

Paul VI, (2010), Pope Paul’s life, “from the rise of Italy’s Fascist regime to World War II and beyond.”

Fatima show at 11:00 pm.. so, maybe I will tune that in.


6 posted on 10/13/2018 4:15:00 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: ebb tide

Wow, what a post! I haven’t linked to all of the externals yet, but this is possibly your best post ever, Rock on!


7 posted on 10/13/2018 4:25:31 PM PDT by heterosupremacist (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.)
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To: BeadCounter

Thanks.


8 posted on 10/13/2018 4:26:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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What about St. Thomas - (Quod 9, q. 16, contra 1) “In the church there is not able to be a damnable error. But it would be a damnable error if she would venerate a saint who was a sinner, because anyone knowing their sin, might believe the church to be false; and if this were to happen, they might be led into error. Therefore the church is not able to err in such things.”


9 posted on 10/13/2018 7:36:56 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: ebb tide

So can I object to any Saint declared by Holy Mother Church that I want because of any reason I can come up with?


10 posted on 10/13/2018 7:42:55 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: ebb tide
This author is setting himself up as a babbling expert on all things Catholic.

How dare he?

The infallible teachings of the Church are always and everywhere
regarding faith and morals.

The Popes, like it or not rad trads, have plenary power over the liturgy.

Pope saints must exhibit heroic virtue, virtue as set forth by the Scriptures and the teaching Magisterium, not as defined by Joe Catholic.

The process of determination of such has changed over history, but the decision by a Pope that such is the case determines that fact. The position that the Popes’ declaration of one as Blessed or Saint is infallible, is a very old position.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THIS MASTER OF BABBLE.

LISTEN TO REAL TRADITION AND ORTHODOXY ON FAITH AND MORALS.

11 posted on 10/13/2018 9:25:37 PM PDT by amihow
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“Pope saints must exhibit heroic virtue, virtue as set forth by the Scriptures and the teaching Magisterium, not as defined by Joe Catholic.”

Well that sure leaves Paul VI out. He was horrible pope. Absolutely terrible.


12 posted on 10/13/2018 9:35:41 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness”)
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Are you Pope or Joe Catholic?


13 posted on 10/13/2018 9:48:08 PM PDT by amihow
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Orthodox? Good golly, the Orthodox are now fighting among themselves over a separate faith community for the Ukraine!

We Catholics are in our own civil war!


14 posted on 10/14/2018 4:11:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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Catholic orthodoxy. Not liberal or rad trad. Authentic teaching of RC Church. Not Greeks or any other Church. Small o orthodoxy.

Sorry I was not more clear.


15 posted on 10/14/2018 5:03:05 AM PDT by amihow
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I tell the truth. Cathilics are not obligated to consider political popes or anyone else as a saint. JP2 bastardized and dumbed down the entire process and Bergoglio has made the process laughable.


16 posted on 10/14/2018 8:12:04 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness”)
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To: amihow

Now you understand why I the term “conservative” When it comes to traditional Catholic faith.


17 posted on 10/14/2018 10:02:57 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Biggirl

Correction:use the term.


18 posted on 10/14/2018 10:05:04 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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I know a lot of people say “conservative”, but a Roman Catholic is neither liberal nor conservative if they are in keeping with all the authentic teachings of the Church. Orthodox is a more precise and accurate description.
19 posted on 10/14/2018 11:53:55 AM PDT by amihow
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You are not the Magisterium. We need to heed it.


20 posted on 10/14/2018 12:26:13 PM PDT by amihow
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