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1 posted on 11/07/2018 6:12:29 PM PST by marshmallow
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2 posted on 11/07/2018 6:20:21 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: marshmallow

Marxist Pope meets with Michael Moore and they agree capitalism is evil and Jesus was a communist. Pope then learns from Moore that best way to achieve communist revolution is to destroy the family by encouraging gay rights and gay marriage. Moore forgets to tell Papem that you also have to make Jesus a gay man and eliminate that “son of God” thing. That comes next week when he meets with Barack. Obama will also let Pope know their is no “god” but allah.


4 posted on 11/07/2018 6:25:00 PM PST by photodawg
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To: marshmallow
“First of all, Pope Francis’s comments about LGBT people like ‘Who am I to judge’. His five most famous words were in response to questions about gay people, right?

They were in response to questions about a sex offender Francis let off the hook.

5 posted on 11/07/2018 6:31:40 PM PST by Fedora
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To: marshmallow

There is no question that this man is out there! Father Martin should be removed as a Catholic priest. He is preaching things adverse to Catholic theology. Homosexual people have made a choice to live a lifestyle that is a continual sin. That is different from a person who makes a simple mistake. LBGT people are continuously choosing to live that way are continuing to sin. Why should the Church do anything to accommodate them? The biggest thing though is to remove Father Martin from the Catholic priesthood.


8 posted on 11/07/2018 6:37:29 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent (.)
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To: marshmallow

God is not mocked. Real Christian doctrine is Biblical.


10 posted on 11/07/2018 6:45:31 PM PST by KDF48 (Redeemed by Christ.)
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To: marshmallow

It’s a brilliant strategy. Normalize homosexual behavior and the horror over sexual predation in the Church fades away.


15 posted on 11/07/2018 6:56:44 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Stop The Madness. Do Not Respond To Vanity Posts.)
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To: marshmallow

I believed that the Catholic Church would outlast any scandal. However, this one is worrysome.
The interesting thing is that I had never harbored any negative feelings about gays.
Until now.


16 posted on 11/07/2018 7:01:38 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: marshmallow
I would say this is rather definitive and I don’t see an expiration date.

Prayers for the Church!

>https://s3.amazonaws.com/lifesite/TRANSLATION_OF_PAPAL_BULL_HORRENDUM_ILLUD_SCELUS.pdf<

PAPAL BULL

HORRENDUM ILLUD SCELUS

(“That Horrendous Crime”) BY POPE ST. PIUS V

Issued August 30, 1568

Reprinted in:

Magnum Bullarium Romanum: A Pio Cuarto Usque ad Innocentium IX, vol. 2 (Lugundi, 1642), pp. 267-268

Translated by Matthew Cullinan Hoffman

LifeSiteNews.com

PIUS,BISHOP

Servant of the Servants of God: For perpetual memory

That horrendous crime, for which polluted and filthy cities were burned by the frightful judgment of God, pains Us most bitterly, and gravely stirs our soul, so that, insofar as it is possible, we might strive to crush it.

§ I. It is reasonably established in the [Third] Lateran Council that any Clerics who are discovered in that act of incontinence that is against nature, because of which the wrath of God came upon the children of unbelief, should be expelled from the clergy, or be cast into monasteries for the purpose of doing penance.

§ 2. However, lest the contagion of such a disgrace, from the hope of impunity – which is the greatest incentive to sin – strengthen in boldness, we have decided that the clerics who are guilty of this nefarious crime are to be more gravely punished, so that the avenger of the civil laws, the secular sword, might certainly deter those who do not fear the death of the soul.

§ 3. And therefore, seeking to more completely and forcefully pursue what We already decreed regarding this matter at the beginning of our Pontificate, any and all priests and other secular and regular Clergy of whatever grade and dignity who practice such a dire sin we deprive of every clerical privilege, and of every Ecclesiastical office, dignity, and benefit, by the authority of the present canon. So that, having been degraded by Ecclesiastical Judgment, they may be handed over to the secular power, which may exact from them that same punishment that is received by laity who have fallen into this ruin, which is found to be constituted in legitimate ordinances.

(The Nulli ergo is a reference to a standard clause following many papal bulls that read, roughly, as follows: “Let no one whosoever infringe this page of our declaration or to dare to oppose it.” It is normally followed by the Si quis clause, which reads, “If, however, anyone attempts to do so, let him know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of his holy Apostles Peter and Paul.” Often only the first two words of the clause are given in reference works like the Magnum Bullarium Romanum, followed by “etc.”)

Given at St. Peter’s in Rome, in the year of the incarnation of the Lord 1568, on the third Kalends of September (August 30), in the third year of our Pontificate.

17 posted on 11/07/2018 7:07:18 PM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: marshmallow

Dear Holy Father, Please do not try to change the moral teachings of the Church. Thank you.


18 posted on 11/07/2018 7:09:12 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: marshmallow
That's weird. I've been subscribing to his Twitter feed for years. Wonder how that happened? I tweeted about a music collection I liked; maybe it was from that?

I never read them; they land in my suspect file. He claims to have taken in a Honduran refugee, that it was no big deal, in the latest tweet. Then there is other stuff on there, mentions the magazine, has to be the same one. A link to a video where somebody thinks he is kissing a Sharna (host of some show?) in the background.

Something just clicked tonight. I only subscribed to a couple way back when and then decided it wasn't my thing, Twitter not the music. Winter Risen is one book. Another is Song of the Lamb. But they are written by Bob Fabing, SJ. I loved playing them on my keyboard.

Well, whatever.

19 posted on 11/07/2018 7:09:21 PM PST by Aliska
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To: marshmallow
The Catholic Church is going to be like the Obama Administration.

Pope Francis is going to appoint LGTB and Liberation Theology activist priests, Bishops and Cardinals to leadership and power positions within the hierarchy of the Church .

When it is time for a new Pope, there is going to be a civil war between the Radicals along with their allies in the Progressive and LGTB activist community and still faithful members of the Clergy and Catholic lay people.

I do not think the opposing factions are going to be able to compromise on a new Pope and so the Catholic Church will face an extended period of time in institutional chaos and conflict with no Pope. The conflict may become violent if Antifa types hook up with the LGTB and Liberation Theology partisans

23 posted on 11/07/2018 7:48:28 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: marshmallow

Beautiful line: The Church has also refused to dehumanize people by defining them by their sexual appetites.


26 posted on 11/07/2018 10:38:08 PM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: marshmallow

In post #17 I should have summarized, than this 1568 Papal Bull condemns homosexuality among the clergy and calls for them to be stripped of all priestly duties.


30 posted on 11/08/2018 5:59:09 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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*Fr. James Martin: Pope Appoints ‘Gay-Friendly’ Bishops, Cardinals to Change Church on LGBT* More paralogism and sophistry from James Martin. Franciscus has NO RIGHT to change the Church on LBGT issues or anything else. The magisterium is immutable!
32 posted on 11/08/2018 9:52:37 AM PST by heterosupremacist (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.)
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To: marshmallow

This Pope, sadly, will go down as a detriment to the church.


33 posted on 11/08/2018 9:57:10 AM PST by Don Corleone (Nothing makes the delusional more furious than truth.)
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To: marshmallow

Outrageous!

Thanks to you and for ebb tide for posting this material to keep us all informed.


36 posted on 11/08/2018 11:44:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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The Bad Popes is a 1969 book by E. R. Chamberlin documenting the lives of eight of the most controversial popes (papal years in parentheses):

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who “sold” the Papacy.

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante’s Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors’ reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

Pope Francis, a communist and Jesuit, who destroyed the church from the inside.


37 posted on 11/08/2018 2:03:44 PM PST by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
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To: marshmallow
 

A BIBLICAL Message to LGBT folks EVERYWHERE!



 
Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.


Leviticus niv

18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

 
 


Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.


Romans 1     New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
 
 18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
 

24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. 


2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

 
 
 
 
 
 
 


The Health Risks of gay sex.

57 posted on 11/11/2018 3:57:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: marshmallow
He’s talked about wanting gay people to feel welcome in the Church.

I should hope!

As well as thieves, murders and gossipers.

BUT...

...those SINS need to be UN-welcome!

Look how Jesus treated the woman caught in adultery.

HE did not call her a bunch of names and tell her she was worthless.

The woman at the well was not called a sleep-around.

He associated with drunks and tax collectors and stinky fishermen; who probably had some REALLY rough language skills!

ALL have sinned and have fallen short of the Glory of GOD.

Jesus told them (and tells us ; too) "Go; and sin no more."

62 posted on 11/11/2018 4:16:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: marshmallow
‘Who am I to judge’

Well...


 
Jesus has commanded us to judge!
 

"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).


Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.


"But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

"Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).


All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.


 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."  (John 7:24).

65 posted on 11/11/2018 4:22:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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