Posted on 11/18/2018 4:49:56 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
you mean like the catholic church?
The word used is:
I agree. The office of pastor is a position of authority and is not one for women. Now...if the congregation was ONLY women and children... :o)
Ah well, we’d still have to keep silent in the church.
Plagiarize much? I was the one who brought in the additional Pauline writings.
The man is supposed to be the head of the home, the protector, the provider, the guardian, the teacher, the leader. What happens to a family when men shirk that responsibility as so often happens in our day. Can women take up that job and ensure children are STILL taught? Your selective "discrimination" is not missed.
Scripture EXPLICITLY says that women should obey, EVEN IF their husbands do not obey the word. But a great deal of our modern pathologies, are due to women succumbing to tingles and getting pregnant out of wedlock, then being falsely lauded as "heroic" single mothers. Their sons don't learn how to be men, having no role model in the home. Or women getting pumped and dumped, and then taking out their fury at such, on all the men they meet *after* the breakup....while secretly longing for their bad boy, whom they just *know*, could have been healed by the Love of a Good Woman(TM) ...like her!
Women have every right to be heard, to have opinions, to communicate their views, to defend their beliefs, to VOTE. I think you probably would have no problem with women's thoughts on internet forums as long as they agree with you, right? When they don't, is that when you stand behind St. Paul's robes??? ***Newsflash***...you aren't my husband, you aren't my pastor, this isn't church.
Our country's downfall has been accelerated by women voting with their fweelings, like the 20-something girl interviewed about the Texas Senate race: "I voted for Beto O'Rourke, he's so *cute*!"
Newsflash. I never thought this was church. It's an internet forum. Dispute and hashing out ideas is not what St. Paul was talking about.
But, this being the internet, if you're going to be a loudmouth prick, just like the guys, then you're going to to be mocked, just like the guys. Enjoy it.
Not interested in your backhanded proposal, btw. I'm taken.
Not a manifest for the feminist program of usurping the leadership of the Church.
Nice try, but no cigar, snookums.
I agree....
Also it’s not unusual in the mission field when there isn’t a male Pastor on site a woman will assume that position until a replacement can be acquired.
The Lord always uses the willing and available to carry out his will....saved as well as unsaved....male or female.... He will use whoever can get the work done.
Do you know that Mrs.Don-o is an RCIA teacher in her church? I would think that there are men as well as women in those classes. Is she doing wrong in teaching them?
What about the women who have been identified as doctors of the Catholic church (Teresa of Ávila, Catherine of Siena, Thérèse of Lisieux, and Hildegard of Bingen)? Were they wrong to teach and write on theology? Should Catholic men ignore them since you should not suffer them to teach you anything?
It’s telling how some men have such strong reactions towards women here with discussion on religious topics. I was kind of shocked to see it. I expected better of Conservative Free Republic men, though I know this is NOT the majority of them. I have had some very fruitful and edifying back and forthing with many and consider them allies in this world. I’m pretty sure with the contentious ones it is because they cannot dispute the arguments against whatever they might be defending and their pride gets them puffed up and angry. Rather than have a respectful discussion, if they know you are female, it’s an excuse to reject and/or ignore whatever we might say. I kind of pity some of their wives (if they have managed to keep them).
I can’t answer for all the others, yet, but I’ve been reading St. Teresa of Avila. But she did not teach men, nor in public. As the Lord said to her, “I would not have you speak with men, but with angels.”
Yeah, which is why I brought it up.
And why it was so bizarre for you to start talking about women schoolteachers.
For Mrs. Don-o...RCIA is for those who haven't yet entered the church. The classes I went to were outright heretical, including a film portraying the Holy Spirit as a woman... Taught, yes, by a woman. /facedesk>
Nothing bizarre at all. I brought it up because you stated:
Show me where St. Paul said, "I'm ok with women teaching men, as long as they hide their sex in an internet forum to do it." /dry>
Starting to see a context yet?
And as for participating on these forums and what to expect from others, I never said a word about wanting men to treat me differently because I was a woman. That was something you presumed. I've just seen Paul's admonition about women "teaching" men thrown at me as an excuse for why they won't. It's a weak cop-out. Thankfully, there have only been three or four who tried it over the 10+ years I've been here.
I must refrain from suiting up for this one, because I am all in a dither getting ready for Thanksgiving.
Men and women, be gracious to one another, learn gratefully from each other, and consider the others as better than yourselves. Do this and the world will say, "Why, these people submit to one another in love! There did that come from??" And you yourslves will attain wisdom and be pleasing to God. Or:
Don't gobble so much, ya turkeys!
A Blessed Thanksgiving to all!
Not bad. I tend to go with Romans 14 myself.
Happy Thanksgiving, this year I’ve got a lot to be Thankful for.
However I do keep in mind that the feminists agendas have certainly brow beated men for a long time now...and unfortunately the educational system is churning out young women with a victimization indoctrination.
So I understand the argument as men overall are sick and tired of an ungrateful female population....which many are. This tends to then transfer over into church related discussions as well. They want their 'authority' back and rightfully so.
I recall a Pastor preaching on this matter....he blamed men for 'surrendering' their authority and that it was time to 'take it back'. He then proceeded to explain how to do that at length so as to make that transition back welcomed rather than opposed. So I think there are some men who do not know how to do this without causing waves as we see on this thread.
I “courtesy” pinged you, Mrs. D. No suiting up required.
Happy Thanksgiving to your and yours.
Ya think?! It's not all that different than the knee-jerk reaction we see whenever Roman Catholic dogma is questioned. I wonder if they ever consider THEIR part in it?
However I do keep in mind that the feminists agendas have certainly brow beated men for a long time now...and unfortunately the educational system is churning out young women with a victimization indoctrination. So I understand the argument as men overall are sick and tired of an ungrateful female population....which many are. This tends to then transfer over into church related discussions as well. They want their 'authority' back and rightfully so.
They DEMAND their authority but neglect their responsibility. They bemoan women getting pregnant outside of wedlock but forget that the woman can't (usually) do that without the man's participation. Scripture teaches that men are to love their wives "as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it". Are Christian men willing to sacrifice themselves or place the benefit of their wives OVER their own? I'll tell you, NO WOMAN could resist that kind of love and dedication. But when men demand submission and neglect their role, the equation is out of whack.
I recall a Pastor preaching on this matter....he blamed men for 'surrendering' their authority and that it was time to 'take it back'. He then proceeded to explain how to do that at length so as to make that transition back welcomed rather than opposed. So I think there are some men who do not know how to do this without causing waves as we see on this thread.
It takes a mature man to comprehend the give and take in a marriage and his role in "Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered." (I Peter 3:7). Respect is supposed to be a two-way street. Participation in this forum is in no way the same as marriage, nor is it in a context of the local church. A poster's sex should have no bearing on how we interact with each other. There should be mutual respect as becoming children of God.
I'm sorry, I should have said I noticed that and I appreciated it! Actually, I was rather tickled to be pinged.
I just didn't want to jump into the crosscurrents when I was maternally hovering with solicitous concern over my pies.
Pumpkin-custard, elderberry-lemon, and classic lattice-top apple with a real lattice, my masterpiece.
Hey and you, GWGW --- GreatWiseGrey-Whiskers: If I could express a great wish, it would be that at some point human ingenuity would make it possible to set a pie on a special platform and hit SEND and share it with all my friends.
Pies on Earth, Good Will to Men and Women. Giving thanks to the Great Giver for all!
I’m testing a “White Chocolate Pumpkin Cream Pie” for the first time to bring on Thursday. I made a Balsamic Cranberry Fig Compote today and start on the pie tomorrow. Some herb dressing and gravy will be confected Thursday morning. Fortunately, I don’t have to do it all for the big day as family will gather at a beloved nephews’ and his wife’s home with everyone bringing something. SO much better that way!
I never tried anything with “elderberry”. Can you describe the flavor? I know it’s a British thing.
Recipe, please? I'll play adventurous culinary explorer!
Let me know how y'all like it.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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