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To: sasportas; elcid1970; G Larry; Salvation
"So, of course he’s going to say Revelation is not about the end of the world..."

Kindly stop right there. The rest of your comment is apparently about what you "think" he said or what you "wish" he said, or what you "expected" him to say, because this is not what he said.

Re-read this paragraph and see if certain words jump out at you:

"While many suppose that the Book of Revelation is merely about the end of the world, it is about far more; it is also about what is happening right now. It was not written only for the end of the ages but for all ages."

As you can see, he is not excluding an end-of-the-world interpretation; he's saying it's not that only. He's saying it's all that AND MORE.

Interestingly,the Church has not dogmatically defined the issue of whatever-millennialism, pre, post, 'a', pre-trib, mid-trib, what-a-long-strange-trip, etc. Saints have a legitimate liberty to take, and HAVE taken, a range of positions, and you might want to keep that in mind.

If there is "a" Catholic perspective, it is the one given by Peter, who writes,

"But do not ignore this one fact, beloved,
that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slow about his promise
as some count slowness,
but is forbearing toward you,
not wishing that any should perish,
but that all should reach repentance. . . .
Since all these things are thus to be dissolved,
what sort of persons ought you to be
in lives of holiness and godliness,
waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God,
because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved,
and the elements will melt with fire!
But according to his promise
we wait for new heavens and a new earth
in which righteousness dwells.
Therefore, beloved,
since you wait for these,
be zealous to be found by Him without spot or blemish,
and at peace"
(2 Pet. 3:8–14)

I will not argue further about this.

Here I bow out of the discussion.

Can I have an Amen?

15 posted on 11/19/2018 12:08:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Actually, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart." - DJT)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; sasportas; elcid1970; G Larry; Salvation
Interestingly,the Church has not dogmatically defined the issue of whatever-millennialism, pre, post, 'a', pre-trib, mid-trib, what-a-long-strange-trip, etc. Saints have a legitimate liberty to take, and HAVE taken, a range of positions, and you might want to keep that in mind.

Roman Catholicism hasn't defined a great deal of things in regards to the texts. Some estimate ~30 verses or so have been dogmatically defined.

That's pretty sad coming from the group claiming to have been around 2000 years and that claims to have given us the Bible.

18 posted on 11/19/2018 2:07:50 PM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

On one hand you tell us the RCC has had no particular millennial view of Revelation, while on the other hand you use a passage from 2 Peter, to prove just the opposite. A very particular view, used by Amillennialists to prove there can be no coming of Christ (his second coming) to this earth to reign for a thousand years...because the earth will be “burned up.”

You can’t have it both ways.


19 posted on 11/19/2018 2:23:33 PM PST by sasportas
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I'll give you an Amen and I'll raise you...

The One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus
                                                                                                                            , that built western civilization.
          The Nicene Creed
          I believe in one God,
          the Father almighty,
          maker of heaven and earth,
          of all things visible and invisible.
+10 One God
          I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
          the Only Begotten Son of God,
          born of the Father before all ages.
+10 Christ Jesus
          God from God, Light from Light,
          true God from true God,
          begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
          through him all things were made.
+ 1 Consubstantial with the Father
          For us men and for our salvation
          he came down from heaven,
+ 1 For our salvation
           and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
          and became man.
+ 1 Virgin Birth
          For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
          he suffered death and was buried,
          and rose again on the third day
          in accordance with the Scriptures.
+10 Suffered, Died and Rose
          He ascended into heaven
          and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
+ 1 Ascended, Seated
          He will come again in glory
          to judge the living and the dead
          and his kingdom will have no end.
+10 Come Again in Glory to Judge
          I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
          who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
          who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
          who has spoken through the prophets.
+10 Holy Trinity
          I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
+10 One Visible Church
          I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
+ 1 One Baptism
          and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
          and the life of the world to come.
+10 Resurrection of the Dead
          The Ten Commandments:
          1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God
              and Him only shall you serve.
          2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
          3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
          4. Honor your father and your mother.
          5. You shall not murder.
          6. You shall not commit adultery.
          7. You shall not steal.
          8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
          9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
          10.You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.
+10 The Ten Commandments
          The Greatest Commandment
          1. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy
               whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength
          2. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
+ 2 The Greatest Commnadments
          The Seven Sacraments Catholic Church:
          1. Baptism.
          2. Eucharist.
          3. Confirmation.
          4. Reconciliation.
          5. Anointing of the sick.
          6. Marriage.(XY+XX)
          7. Holy orders.
+ 7 The Seven Sacraments
          The Precepts of the Catholic Church:
          1. You shall attend Mass on Sundays and on holy days of obligation
               and rest from servile labor.
          2. You shall confess your sins at least once a year.
          3. You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least during the
              Easter season.
          4. You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by
               the Church.
          5. You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church.
+ 5 The Precepts
          The seven chief corporal works of mercy:
          1. To feed the hungry.
          2. To give drink to the thirsty.
          3. To clothe the naked.
          4. To visit the imprisoned.
          5. To shelter the homeless.
          6. To visit the sick.
          7. To bury the dead.
+ 7 Corporal Works
          The seven chief spiritual works of mercy:
          1. To admonish the sinner.
          2. To instruct the ignorant.
          3. To counsel the doubtful.
          4. To comfort the sorrowful.
          5. To bear wrongs patiently.
          6. To forgive all injuries.
          7. To pray for the living and the dead.
+ 7 Spiritual Works
          Pro-Life - From Conception Until Natural Death
+15 Pro-Life

          _____ How Catholic am I?
                                   < 40 Stil searching?
                                   40-87 Good Candidate for RCIA
                                   88-100 Impressive
                                   > 100 You are on the Way to the Holy City, the new Jerusalem.

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29 posted on 11/20/2018 7:11:05 AM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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