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U.S. Catholics losing trust in clergy, survey finds
Catholic Herald ^ | January 11, 2019 | CNA

Posted on 01/12/2019 8:27:41 AM PST by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide

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61 posted on 01/12/2019 3:38:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

Missed #55; eh?


62 posted on 01/12/2019 3:40:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide; aMorePerfectUnion
Then why did Luther toss out entire books of scripture and edit others that did not agree with his sinful life?

*sigh*

Ever learning yet never coming to the knowledge of the truth! How many times will this lie have to be disputed??? Please read:

Luther's View of the Canon of Scripture

63 posted on 01/12/2019 3:58:14 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: Salvation

“Jesus had no Scripture. ”

Wrong my FRiend.

1. Jesus had 2/3 of the Scriptures, the Hebrew Scriptures.

2. Jesus IS the Word of God. How could He ever be without Himself.


64 posted on 01/12/2019 4:23:02 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: boatbums

An infinite amount of time.

Because if Catholics ever admitted that Luther had a point, their vain pride in their institution would be broken and they’d realize that they’re poor miserable sinners just like the rest of us.


65 posted on 01/12/2019 4:26:48 PM PST by Luircin
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To: ebb tide; aMorePerfectUnion
At least we don't go around selling an impure word of God like many others. The opposite is true. As Christ's spokesmen and in God's presence, we speak the pure message that comes from God. (2 Cor. 2:17)
66 posted on 01/12/2019 4:30:26 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: ebb tide; aMorePerfectUnion
Nor have I mentioned Sola Scriptura
You sure did:
Never in Scripture.

I wonder, if you had to choose between what the Scripture says versus what a Pope or Bishop or Priest says, which would you trust?

67 posted on 01/12/2019 4:37:30 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Did you miss my reply in #32?


68 posted on 01/12/2019 4:39:17 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: boatbums

I wonder, if you had to choose between what the Scripture says versus what a Pope or Bishop or Priest says, which would you trust?

***

Considering that believing what Jesus and the Apostles said is heresy, and nowadays believing what the Pope says is heresy, I have no idea what most of the FRoman crowd believes nowadays.


69 posted on 01/12/2019 4:45:41 PM PST by Luircin
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To: boatbums
Ever learning yet never coming to the knowledge of the truth!

Thanks for the link. But I'm not interested in lies.

71 posted on 01/12/2019 5:01:20 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Lol, don’t stamp those widdle feet too hard, you might hurt yourself, ebby.


72 posted on 01/12/2019 5:03:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ebb tide; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
Then why did Luther toss out entire books of scripture and edit others that did not agree with his sinful life?

You mean you rely on some Catholic propaganda? Questions:

1. What entire books of scripture did Luther not include in his translation?

2. What books did Luther judge were not Scripture proper that were part of a infallibly defined/indisputable canon?

3. What books did Luther judge were not Scripture proper that other Catholic scholars could not doubt or did doubt were Scripture proper, on scholarly grounds, such as Luther also provided?

4. What books of Scripture did Luther "edit" that were not likewise translated as seemed best to Catholic translators, including placing "alone" in Romans 3:28 ?

5. If Luther edited Scripture that did not agree with his supposed sinful life then why did so such a negligent job, and affirm books as being Scripture that are very strong in condemning sin?

6. If Luther edited Scripture that did not agree with his supposed sinful life (and faith alone meant works are in no way necessary) then why did he preach,

faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit... Faith cannot help doing good works constantly... if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit... where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith.. where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both. if obedience and God's commandments do not dominate you, then the work is not right, but damnable, surely the devil's own doings, although it were even so great a work as to raise the dead... if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, "the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk. Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation... faith casts itself on God, and breaks forth and becomes certain through its works... faith must be exercised, worked and polished; be purified by fire... it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present... where the works are absent, there is also no Christ... References and more by God's grace.

73 posted on 01/12/2019 5:04:16 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Luircin
Because if Catholics ever admitted that Luther had a point, their vain pride in their institution would be broken and they’d realize that they’re poor miserable sinners just like the rest of us.

I have to think that the more honest among them realize that (The Roman Catholic Perspective of Martin Luther (Part Two)).

74 posted on 01/12/2019 5:05:01 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: ebb tide

Do me a favor...READ that link and then point out what you imagine are “lies” in it. Can you do that or are you afraid that you might just learn something and lose a talking point?


75 posted on 01/12/2019 5:07:44 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: Salvation

I did indeed.

Skip #1 in my post to you.

#2 still applies.


76 posted on 01/12/2019 5:08:03 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: boatbums; ebb tide
I wonder, if you had to choose between what the Scripture says versus what a Pope or Bishop or Priest says, which would you trust?

Ah, the irony of your question!

Dear Freeper Ebb's account is the #1 poster of anti-pope threads on FR, along with other assorted criticisms of Rome.

No one else is even close.

77 posted on 01/12/2019 5:09:43 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: daniel1212

Now, now...don’t be throwing that truth around willy nilly! ;o)


78 posted on 01/12/2019 5:09:52 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Thanks for the compliment. I’m a Catholic, Bergoglio isn’t one.


79 posted on 01/12/2019 5:14:32 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
I’m a Catholic, Bergoglio isn’t one.

Nothing about being Catholic that gets you to heaven.

You can have salvation right now and the assurance of salvation...

...but you will have to throw away your scapulars, beads, useless rituals and self-righteousness and self-merit, which are all worthless anyway - and turn to Him alone. His sacrifice alone.

The joy alone would be worth it.

80 posted on 01/12/2019 5:21:54 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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