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To: mitch5501

trying to make it sound like Old Testement writing


It makes a lot of sense. Prolepsis is the practice of predicting the past. That is, writing which purports to have taken place before some event occurs, prophesying the event as if it were in the future. It’s hard to be a caught as false prophet if you’re predicting what’s already happened.


17 posted on 01/21/2019 2:55:03 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: sparklite2

How do you explain the fact that fragments of the Book of Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls?


18 posted on 01/21/2019 4:11:57 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: sparklite2; mitch5501
I meant to include this quote in my earlier posts to you. I think you may enjoy it.
Qumran Cave 4 yielded fragments of 11 Aramaic manuscripts of parts of 1 Enoch that cover perhaps one fifth of the Ethiopic text, as well as nine ­Aramaic manuscripts of “the Book of the Giants,” a text not included in 1 Enoch.1 The 1 Enoch manuscripts attest both to how closely the Ethiopic text corresponds to its Aramaic prototypes in some places and to where it differs in others.

The Giants fragments indicate that the Enochic tradition was richer than 1 Enoch suggests. Missing at Qumran are fragments of the Book of Parables (1 Enoch 37–71), a Jewish text that provides a context for New Testament “Son of Man” christology.

The absence of the Book of Parables from Qumran probably indicates that this expression of Enochic theology developed in circles different from those directly ancestral to the group that collected the texts at Qumran. The other Enochic writings were authoritative at Qumran, however, and were popular among early Christian writers as well. The Enochic texts remain a canonical part of the Bible of the Ethiopian Church.

—George W.E. Nickelsburg, The University of Iowa

Source: biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/dead-sea-scrolls

There used to be a translation of the Enoch fragments online as well as those of others like the Book of Giants. I can't seem to find them at the moment. I may have them in some old books on the Scrolls in my library, but frankly there are better chances of finding another scroll cave than finding anything in my library.;-)

As you may know (and as an aside), it was the frequent mention of the "Son of Man" in Enoch (and its reference to Christ) that also used to give Jewish scholars fits. That's one of the reasons, if not their main reason, for their strong dislike for the Book of Enoch.

19 posted on 01/21/2019 5:48:56 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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