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1 posted on 01/21/2019 10:28:23 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No, only a war between truth and lies.

The Bible (embodied in the gospel of the grace of Christ) and true science (not Leftist science) are friends.


2 posted on 01/21/2019 10:31:09 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: SeekAndFind

tl;dr


3 posted on 01/21/2019 10:38:57 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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See Also: Jerry Coyne and the Consequences of Denying Free Will
4 posted on 01/21/2019 10:59:36 AM PST by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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Science has much more in common with religion than it's willing to admit. Use the scientific models and you can land on the moon. Use the religious models and you can have the brass to actually do it. The models are useful if you use the good ones but keep in mind they are all wrong somewhere, sometimes very wrong.

5 posted on 01/21/2019 11:21:59 AM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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Decades ago, it was suggested that there are three things that a scientist believes but cannot prove.

1. The universe is real.
2. The universe is organized.
3. Our logic is good logic.

As an example of number 1, he related a story about a fellow who was having a vivid dream. He dreamed that he was a butterfly furiously flitting this way and that to avoid a net that was coming closer and closer. Just as the butterfly was to be caught in the net, the man awakened. He sighed and exclaimed, “I am so glad I am not a butterfly about to be caught in a net; I am so glad that I am a man, safe in this bed, safe in this house, safe in this world!” Then, the thought hit him, maybe, in reality, I actually am a butterfly about to be caught in a net and I am dreaming that I am a man, safe in a bed, safe in a house...” Today’s Western culture and science lean very heavily to the position that matter, etc., are real.

With regard to number 2. The job of science types is to discover that organization. So far, so good.

Number 3. We would have to be able to get outside logic to determine whether it is good logic. So far, it seems to be.


With regard to evidence for God, Scripture suggests that the evidence is very plain, right in front of us. Look at the heavens! Since that was written, we can now look into the atom, as well. Both aspects are amazing.

Where did life come from? Love, hate, envy, pride, caring, helping... From DNA????


6 posted on 01/21/2019 12:42:38 PM PST by NorthStarOkie
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Science, or the study of how God did it, has no conflict with Christianity. But many non-scientists don’t understand the limits of science. So its not uncommon for an English major to loudly protest that “science is truth”. While the scientists say that science is an ongoing evolution of knowledge.


7 posted on 01/21/2019 1:53:13 PM PST by poinq
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There is no war between "faith" and "reason." What most people call "reason" isn't reason at all but scientific naturalism. Somehow this view has become identified with "reason," yet curiously enough "reason" never seems to object to the "miracles" in the "new testament."

"Reason" refers to clearness and consistency of thought. As I just proved above, the singling out of Genesis as somehow more "against reason" than the "virgin birth" or medieval miracles is most irrational.

8 posted on 01/21/2019 2:35:08 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (What has Athens to do with Jerusalem?)
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The war is between Scientism and anything that disputes its tenets, e.g., Macro-Evolution or Global Warming.

As someone with a background in both the physical sciences and orthodox theology, I have never been excessive!y interested in these supposed wars.

I have no problem with admitting that my faith is faith. My problem is with the scientismists who refuse to acknowledge the same.

Macro-Evolution is neither observable nor replicable. It is thus not a truly testable theory, but is exempted from that because it is an article of faith.

As my first-year Biology (for Majors) professor used to say on any perceived contradiction to Evolution dogma: “Given time and chance, we are confident that...”

Those are the words of faith, not science.


9 posted on 01/21/2019 5:17:56 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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