Why Were Non-Catholic 'Observers' Influencing Vatican II's Documents?

Catholic Family News ^ | March 22, 2019 | Stephen Kokx

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[reg45]

That Isaiah 5:5-6 quote is a good argument in favor of the wall.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

A comic from the time of V2.

[Slyfox]

Protestants were invited to the Council of Trent as a way of seeing if there was any hope left of bringing them back into the fold. But they all declined to engage in any sort of dialogue and did not attend.

The difference with V2 was that an element of progressive/socialist bishops expressly invited Protestants to help change the Church via the wrecking ball.

[fortes fortuna juvat]

The difference with V2 was that an element of progressive/socialist bishops expressly invited Protestants to help change the Church via the wrecking ball.
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That statement succinctly explains the purpose of the protestant presence and the mission of the so-called progressives, which was to destroy the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. Here’s a list of Catholicism’s decline that reveals how well they had succeeded in their mission as of 2002.

https://www.olrl.org/misc/jones_stats.shtml

[daniel1212]

Protestants were invited to the Council of Trent as a way of seeing if there was any hope left of bringing them back into the fold. But they all declined to engage in any sort of dialogue and did not attend.

Where did you get this information?

In any case, it is Catholicism that first distorted the fold, seeing as distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (including how they understood the OT and gospels), which is Scripture, especially Acts thru Revelation.

[Luircin]

Invited and then not allowed to speak.

So very generous.

Snort.

[Coleus]

Why Were Non-Catholic ‘Observers’ Influencing Vatican II’s Documents >>

I often wondered the same. It didn’t make any sense.

[elpadre]

“...the Church is suffering from what Bishop Athanasius Schneider has called “the fourth great crisis” in Church history. ..”

The greatest crisis the church has ever faced is the current rejection of holiness in favor of an infusion and adopted lifestyle of flagrant homosexuality and all sinfulness associated with that.

[MichaelCorleone]

I don’t think this is widely known.

In light of this, the critics of Vatican II who have heretofore been ignored and/or dismissed, their concerns should be heard again.

[HarleyD]

Historically, Catholics have been the ones out to destroy Protestantism. The Jesuits were tasked with creating a "Counter-Reformation" at the time of Luther and it still continues to this day. There are many articles about this including many Catholic sources. To say Protestants are out to bring Catholics back is simply to deny history. It is, after all, Catholic dogma that all are lost outside the Catholic Church.

The Counter-Reformation: Ignatius and the Jesuits by the Catholic World

[piusv]

In this new article, CFN contributor Stephen Kokx quotes testimony from several sources which demonstrate that a variety of non-Catholics (mostly Protestants) who were invited to the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) as “observers” clearly influenced the discussions—and even the documents—of the Council. As one quoted source reveals, “[A]lthough we had no direct ‘voice’ on the council floor, we did indeed have an indirect voice through the many contacts that were possible with the Fathers and their indispensable strong arms, the periti.”

Guess who is one of the most famous periti? Father Ratzinger. Better known now as Benedict XVI. The same man that so many think is the true pope....because he's "orthodox"/"traditional".

https://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_071_Ratzinger_Same.htm

[Slyfox]

I read original sources for a living. I know what I am talking about.

[HarleyD]

Yeah, so do Democrats. Are you from Hawaii?

[Mrs. Yuleeyahoo]

I have been attending Mass for some time now as part of RCIA. My first impression of Mass was that it was way too protestant. It makes me uncomfortable. I go to the Extraordinary mass when I don’t have RCIA; like today. I prefer it to the ordinary. I don’t even mind that it is in mostly in another language.

I have been reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 version of the Green book. I have read almost 590 of the 688 pages. I say almost because I could not finish the section on Social Justice. I see why so many Catholics are involved in leftest politics after reading the book. Where is addresses theology, it is beautiful and it has helped me understand some things. I am thinking that I will read the Trent Catechism and go by that one. The current one just bothers me so much. It is not in keeping with Catholic Tradition.

[Elsie]

Mar 22 Why Were Non-Catholic 'Observers' Influencing Vatican II's Documents?

My guess is that the outsiders were able to see things that centuries of tradition had defined as FACTs weren't.

It took a young lad to point out the lack of clothes on the emperor.

[piusv]

The current one just bothers me so much. It is not in keeping with Catholic Tradition.

It should bother you. Only pre-Vatican II catechisms are Catholic.

[Elsie]

I read original sources for a living. I know what I am talking about.

Just the type of fella to tell me if THIS is still effect:

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

[Elsie]

The current one just bothers me so much. It is not in keeping with Catholic Tradition.

Then done try to read the bible; for it doesn't either.