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To: ealgeone

Is it my turn to feed the trolls? Okay, they look hungry.

“Mary said ... From age to age, all generations shall call me holy” — Luke 1

When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” — John 19

“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars... And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” — Revelation 12


5 posted on 05/20/2020 4:34:13 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Is it my turn to feed the trolls? Okay, they look hungry.

As I have noted in these discussions, it is usually, though not always, the Roman Catholic who first resorts to the personal attack and/or profanity when the argument goes against them.

Now, to correct the errors.

“Mary said ... From age to age, all generations shall call me holy” — Luke 1

You're going to have to supply the translation that is from. None of the major translations render the passage in that manner.

The actual translation from the Douay-Rheims 1899 American edition:

48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

The Greek word in the passage for blessed is μακαρίζω. It is generally defined as: makarízō – pronounce blessed, as the result of enjoying the benefits (privileges) that (literally) extend from God.

It is used twice in the NT...once in Luke 1:48 and in James 5:11

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When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” — John 19

And again the Greek fails the Roman Catholic on this passage as well. Here Jesus is giving Mary to John. He is not giving her to the "church" as is claimed by Rome.

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“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars... And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” — Revelation

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And again Scripture, when read in context, will fail the Roman Catholic.

1A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth. Revelation 12:1-2 NASB

This passage alone contradicts the Roman Catholic claim that Mary was sinless. IF she were not under the curse from Genesis she would not be crying out in pain.

To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.” Genesis 3:16 NASB

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You've demonstrated you know Roman Catholic talking points but you demonstrate a lack of knowledge of Scripture.

8 posted on 05/20/2020 4:49:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: dangus; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; MamaB; ...
“Mary said ... From age to age, all generations shall call me holy” — Luke 1

And indeed the sanctified, graced, blessed, virtuous, Spirit-filled mother (as concerning the flesh: cf. Rm. 9:5) of the Lord Jesus was/is holy, although the word in Luke 1:48 is not the word for holy, but is makarizō = blessed, fortunate. The word for "holy" - from the Holy Spirit to the first born to prophets and apostles and to all believers. is "hagios" - sacred. There is no word used of Mary that describes her as uniquely holy - including (as has been shown) "kecharitomene", though she is highly favoured (graced) and blessed among women, (Luke 1:28,42) which Jael the wife of Heber was (Jdg 5:24) as a mother, though less so.

When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” — John 19

Which is wonderful. What better person to care for mom than the apostle of love, who apparently outlived all the rest. A better choice than Peter or brethren of the Lord. And which does not equate to perpetual Marian virginity, which is not warranted (see past response here, by the grace of ) to save time and typing.

“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars... And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” — Revelation 12

Which is not a reference to Mary, despite what Catholics can only wish it did. But again see past response here to save time and typing, and enable me to get back to planting tomatoes as the weather is finally getting somewhat warm, thanks be to God.

36 posted on 05/21/2020 10:18:22 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: dangus; EagleOne; daniel1212
Act 1:12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day’s journey away. 13 When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James. 14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

Seems to me that if Mary had so much power as the Catholic Church claims, there would have been no reason for the early believers to sit around pray ALONG WITH her. Instead they would have be praying TO her.

But, then again, the Catholic Church ignores the scriptural teachings of the half-brothers of Jesus as well.

92 posted on 05/22/2020 6:02:46 AM PDT by HarleyD
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