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In a different age, church leaders would have rushed to back a president who called their services “essential.” In this wilting age, church leaders instead accept their marginalized status and bow before leaders who treat them as irrelevant. People will look back at this crisis and laugh that it was the barbers, not the bishops, who pushed back against the lockdown.
1 posted on 05/24/2020 3:30:40 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 05/24/2020 3:31:37 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Beck...
https://www.newwaysministry.org/2016/07/09/apologies-are-good-actions-are-better/


3 posted on 05/24/2020 3:44:42 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: ebb tide

A fellow congregant, the wife of a lay leader, from my church appointed to check on me (along with others) called me to day. As we chatted about when we would reopen for live worship, I let her know how disappointed I was with the stance of the United Methodist Church’s Virginia Conference—because they are being even more reticent than our slughead governor. In other states with other denominations, the church leaders are fighting for the faith. But the UMC, at least its Virginia Conference, is showing me that they are in step with the Democrat-Media Complex.


4 posted on 05/24/2020 3:47:07 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: ebb tide

I have no words for ministers who want their church to be shut down by the government.


5 posted on 05/24/2020 3:50:23 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Secularism is the ONLY reason this faux pandemic is even a thing. In times past people did not value their skin over their freedom. But this bunch of fat, lazy, intellectually bereft underworked, oversexed, marginally thoughtful dolts wilt in fear at the very mention of death. I can tell you this. My grandfather would have burned down the capital building before he would submit to this stupidity. All these freedom loving sheeple who would rather get a government check instead of go to work and accept a teeny, tiny itty bitty nothing risk of perhaps dying but probably catching the covid cold and never even knowing they have it. Pfffffffft. I have no idea why they bothered to conquer the Japanese Empire and the Third Reich so these little snowflakes could carry on the legacy left to us. Sad.


6 posted on 05/24/2020 3:55:53 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: ebb tide
New Ways Ministry? Is CNN really trying to get people to think this is a mainline (real) church? It's for homos and queers!! No wonder they had this "pastor" on to bash Trump. That's all they wanted...
7 posted on 05/24/2020 4:02:40 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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Cardinal Dolan cautious on reopening churches

There will be no Sunday masses at St. Patrick’s Cathedral or any churches throughout the archdiocese in the immediate future. as Cardinal Timothy Dolan walks through a political minefield of what President Trump wants versus what Gov. Cuomo wants.

8 posted on 05/24/2020 4:10:34 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Any church that doesn’t want to open can stay closed, right? Any church that wants to open can impose whatever safety measures they want, right?

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...“

What’s so difficult to understand?

Leaders can request people stay home. They can recommend social distancing and mask wear, but they have no authority to prevent churches from opening. Even if one believes government can override the Bill of Rights in very well defined and limited situations, like during emergencies, one cannot unequally apply the law. If it’s OK for people to congregate in grocery stores, it’s OK for them to congregate in church.


10 posted on 05/24/2020 4:17:58 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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Ask actual Christian churches. Go to the Pentecostal, or Baptists especially in the minority areas. They will break down doors to go to worship.


11 posted on 05/24/2020 4:18:45 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer)
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To: ebb tide

Want to know the difference between a conservative and a liberal?
The conservative says you can go if you want to.
The liberal says you can’t go because someone might get sick.


16 posted on 05/24/2020 5:09:10 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: ebb tide

Re open the churches for people want to go back into their church to worship and hear the word.

No one with a gun will force any people to attend any church that is open.

However, cops with guns are now keeping us from attending our closed churches to hear, “Love thy neighbor!”

They trust me to go to Ace, HD, Target, Safeway, Walmart and Costco. Last week I even drove to the car wash and had a vehicle washed and filled with gas.

Yet at 81, I can not be trusted to go to my church for most of my adult life for my spiritual health and well being.


18 posted on 05/24/2020 6:31:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( The CHICOM/PRCNN, controllers of America's Fake news media, CDCNN, WHO, are the Deep Staters!))
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