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To: JAG 5000

So who made the Intelligent Designer?


13 posted on 06/23/2020 12:13:20 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: FewsOrange

That’s why the Intelligent Designer is named “I AM”. The Intelligent Designer (I’ll go with “God” at this point) always was, is currently, and always will be. Past, present, and future. In other words, Time is a construct that God made for us, another tool to help us understand things.Time helps us order life, but God isn’t bound by Time.


24 posted on 06/23/2020 12:27:50 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: FewsOrange
"So who made the Intelligent Designer?"

Easy. It was the super being of the ethereal. No one made it, it has always existed. I believe the Men In Black have him encased in a ultra-high definition plasma container in their storeroom.

27 posted on 06/23/2020 12:34:31 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: FewsOrange
The question of 'who designed the designer' is most famously put forth by Dawkins in his book The God Delusion which fellow atheist Michael Ruse reviewed and stated, "would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing".

1. A known designer is not required by Intelligent Design - you don't need to know who designed the designer when you discover an arrow - you know it was designed. (Can be applied the the fine tuned universe, DNA, rare earth, consciousness, etc...)

2. We know the universe had a beginning (Big Bang) and if there was an infinite past we would never arrive at the present. Logical reasoning leads to the conclusion that the initial cause of motion must be something that is not, itself, in motion—an unmoved mover – the Prime Mover. If every cause is the result of a previous cause, or, if everything is caused by something else, then we have an "infinite regress" of causes which is logically incoherent (who designed the designer). Furthermore, natural processes cannot create natural processes (circulus in probando). So we are logically left with ‘creation’ from outside of nature.

3. When postulating a creator outside of nature, asking who created the creator would be like asking 'how long did it take to create time' - 'how much area did it take to create space' - 'how much weight did it take to create matter'.

4. From a theological Judeo-Christian standpoint, the question becomes "who made God?" - which means you are reduced to thinking about created gods. I don't know any Christian who believes God was created.

SEE ALSO: God, Gods, and Fairies - David Bentley Hart

28 posted on 06/23/2020 12:35:19 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: FewsOrange

The Intelligent Designer was not created. He always existed. God is Eternal and is the First Cause.

There has to be a First Cause of all things — otherwise you are left with believing that the Universe and all that is in it, is Eternal — that it always existed and never “began to exist.” So? So if you can believe that by Faith, you can believe in God by Faith.

You most surely cannot prove that the Universe and all that is in it, always existed -— that it never “began to exist” -— so the belief that the Universe always existed is a Faith belief. It takes no more Faith to believe in God {and in John 3:16} than it takes to believe that there was no First Cause that created the Universe and that the Universe always existed.


35 posted on 06/23/2020 12:51:18 PM PDT by JAG 5000 (JAG 5000)
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To: FewsOrange

Well, there could be an even more intelligent designer that made the intelligent designer. However, that’s just moving the goalposts. Eventually, the only logical possibility that you are left with is: if there is an intelligent creator, they must be eternal, pre-existing everything else; the only thing in existence that is uncreated. Which, after all, is logical, because if everything is created, then that includes time, so whatever created that must exist outside of time.


57 posted on 06/23/2020 2:50:25 PM PDT by Boogieman
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